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So the backstage temper tantrums on JKR's wikipedia page by a particularly prolific GIT* editor who goes by the handle "Bastun" have become so disruptive that they have spilled over into the larger wikipedia editing community, concerns about Bastun's bullying tactics being elevated to the admin noticeboard. Bastun has been such a complete tool with their obsessive gendertrolling of other editors on the JKR page that their behavior is driving other editors away, and as a result this led to a proposal, via the admins noticeboard, to ban Bastun from editing trans related pages.

The editors initially voting to support the ban look mostly like normies who have been over on the JKR page just trying to maintain an editorial bar, and many clearly are loathe to be on the same side as us filthy radfems, but the aggressive behavior is escalating and becoming incredibly tiresome.

Of course a handful of clearly coordinated GITs stormed over from the JKR page and various interrelated transwiki pages to circlejerk about how poor poor Baston is being unfairly maligned and is clearly just a pure and innocent soul who is just a passionate defender of the faith /s.

One of these is another notorious GIT from the transwiki community, handle "Newimpartial", who proceeds to irritate the fuck out of everyone in the thread. Its interesting to watch the normie editors and admins get annoyed with the blatant badfaith arguing with this particular individual, who appears to have quite a history with several of them.

Eventually several admins weigh in (which is fairly rare, to get that many in one place at one time) and it becomes a meta conversation about the the ideological mob behavior that us ladies here at ovarit are oh so familar with. And here's where it gets really juicy... the admins rule on the side that discretionary sanctions can be applied to gendertrolls under the same code of conduct originally instituted for gamer gate trolls!!!!

That's right, looking at the overall tactics and strategies being deployed: the bullying, personal attacks, sock puppeting, the brigading... The admins equate it to the behavior of one of the most infamous troll attacks on wikipedia, and therefore falling under the set of rules created in the wake of gamergate to deal with similar trolling attacks in the future. Essentially admins can approach GITs like they would gamergate type trolls or any other swarm of various overeager edgelords.

I suspect that this decision will be greeted with great rending of clothes and gnashings of teeth over in la la genderland, and I am sure that it will be escalated to more wikipedia admins, for as we know GITs don't take kindly to being told "No". It will be interesting to watch their continued shenanigans. I strongly believe that they are their own worst enemies with this shit, and that the more they "share the good news" the more they alienate people and expose themselves as a cult.

Its quite a longhall discussion, and I am lucky to live with a longtime wikipedia editor who could help translate some of the wikipedia jargon for me, but it's definitely worth the time to unpack.

*GIT - Gender Identity Troll, It's my new personally preferred nomenclature as per the recent discussion about moving away from using TRA in regards to gender fanatics.

So the backstage temper tantrums on JKR's wikipedia page by a particularly prolific GIT* editor who goes by the handle "Bastun" have become so disruptive that they have spilled over into the larger wikipedia editing community, concerns about Bastun's bullying tactics being elevated to the admin noticeboard. Bastun has been such a complete tool with their obsessive gendertrolling of other editors on the JKR page that their behavior is driving other editors away, and as a result this led to a proposal, [via the admins noticeboard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal_to_topic_ban_Bastun), to ban Bastun from editing trans related pages. The editors initially voting to support the ban look mostly like normies who have been over on the JKR page just trying to maintain an editorial bar, and many clearly are loathe to be on the same side as us filthy radfems, but the aggressive behavior is escalating and becoming incredibly tiresome. Of course a handful of clearly coordinated GITs stormed over from the JKR page and various interrelated transwiki pages to circlejerk about how poor poor Baston is being unfairly maligned and is clearly just a pure and innocent soul who is just a passionate defender of the faith /s. One of these is another notorious GIT from the transwiki community, handle "Newimpartial", who proceeds to irritate the fuck out of everyone in the thread. Its interesting to watch the normie editors and admins get annoyed with the blatant badfaith arguing with this particular individual, who appears to have quite a history with several of them. Eventually several admins weigh in (which is fairly rare, to get that many in one place at one time) and it becomes a meta conversation about the the ideological mob behavior that us ladies here at ovarit are oh so familar with. And here's where it gets really juicy... the admins rule on the side that discretionary sanctions can be applied to gendertrolls *under the same code of conduct originally instituted for* ***gamer gate trolls!!!!*** That's right, looking at the overall tactics and strategies being deployed: the bullying, personal attacks, sock puppeting, the brigading... The admins equate it to the behavior of one of the most infamous troll attacks on wikipedia, and therefore falling under the set of rules created in the wake of gamergate to deal with similar trolling attacks in the future. Essentially admins can approach GITs like they would gamergate type trolls or any other swarm of various overeager edgelords. I suspect that this decision will be greeted with great rending of clothes and gnashings of teeth over in la la genderland, and I am sure that it will be escalated to more wikipedia admins, for as we know GITs don't take kindly to being told "No". It will be interesting to watch their continued shenanigans. I strongly believe that they are their own worst enemies with this shit, and that the more they "share the good news" the more they alienate people and expose themselves as a cult. Its quite a longhall discussion, and I am lucky to live with a longtime wikipedia editor who could help translate some of the wikipedia jargon for me, but it's definitely worth the time to unpack. *GIT - Gender Identity Troll, It's my new personally preferred nomenclature as per the [recent discussion](https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/985) about moving away from using TRA in regards to gender fanatics.

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[–] womenopausal 33 points (+33|-0)

the admins rule on the side that discretionary sanctions can be applied to gendertrolls under the same code of conduct originally instituted for gamer gate trolls!!!!

That's right, looking at the overall tactics and strategies being deployed: the bullying, personal attacks, sock puppeting, the brigading... The admins equate it to the behavior of one of the most infamous troll attacks on wikipedia, and therefore falling under the set of rules created in the wake of gamergate to deal with similar trolling attacks in the future. Essentially admins can approach GITs like they would gamergate type trolls or any other swarm of various overeager edgelords.

The fuzzy fruit farms seem to indicate there's some intersection between people involved in GG and TRAs.

[–] pixiebiz [OP] 33 points (+33|-0)

surely it is no surprise that some porn addled GGers ended up going down a sissy hypno spiral to become fierce anime cat girls fighting the good fight against the mean nasty bitches TERFs who are ruining their video games and their boners.

[–] CruelEnnui 24 points (+24|-0)

So many TRAs are literally just re-branded 4channers (many of whom participated in GG) by their own admission. Plenty of receipts floating around on tumblr. They've finally found a socially acceptable way to harass and threaten women.

[–] BlackCherry 26 points (+26|-0) Edited

I strongly believe that they are their own worst enemies with this shit, and that the more they "share the good news" the more they alienate people and expose themselves as a cult.

This. I didn't even follow any GC sources, it was entirely horrific behavior by my libfem and TiM friends that converted me over here.

[–] politipoop 24 points (+24|-0)

Ha! Fucking yes!!! At least Wiki is doing something about this shit!

Thank you for the info, this has cheered me up no end :)

[–] susiesmum 19 points (+19|-0)

Are you aware that the term "git" is an insult in the UK? According to wikipedia

Git is a term of insult with origins in English denoting an unpleasant, silly, incompetent, annoying, senile, elderly or childish person. As a mild oath it is roughly on a par with prat and marginally less pejorative than berk.

It's entirely appropriate for gender trolls.

[–] pixiebiz [OP] 13 points (+13|-0)

Yes, it is one of my all time favorite limey insults, so using it for the genderdorks is just sooooo fucking perfect... 🤣🤣🤣

[–] chrysthefeminist 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

"Git" is an insult in the U.S. too. Excellent acronym for gender trolls!

[–] Elfwyn 17 points (+17|-0)

That's good, if wiki wants to be credible at all it needs doing. Also I love GIT, perfect 👍😎

[–] Luske 14 points (+14|-0)

GIT is definitely a good term ^ It's more based on people's actions and behaviour than their presumed ideology, and in that way it resembles TERF a bit less :)

[–] pixiebiz [OP] 15 points (+15|-0)

Yes, its about Behavior! Thankyou!

I also like how it encompasses the various non trans individuals who have decided to latch onto the fad for whatever reason. Beyond the gamer gate veterans who think they have found a loophole to explode feminism, we have a real problem with Aunt Lydia LibFems who patrol online spaces for any whiff of the Terven for them to enact their orgiastic purity spirals on. Many of the most "Transwoman are Women" zombie handles aren't even trans anyhow, they are so called "cis allies" who get riled up and decide to witch hunt TERFs in their local FB moms knitting group. Having a term that clearly describes this as clearly toxic behavior should make it easier for people to identify it as not simply a matter of "being asked to be nicer" when the bullies show up and start targeting other people in normie land communities.

[–] Luske 10 points (+10|-0)

I'm rather new in this (lived a comfortable and unconcerned life just three months ago)... what are 'Aunt Lydia LibFems'? And the gamer gate, was that about a lot of gamers (online) attacking a gamer woman for.... something... I can't remember. But I agree that it's a good way of also describing those who just latch onto the whole 'trans rights movement' for other reasons. It's also more precise to describe people's behaviour as that is what we can actually see. If one describes another person based on the opinions one might think they have, that's no better than TERF actually. I mean, most people are called TERF or transphobe without having any transphobic feelings, simply because someone else thinks they do.

[–] OrangeBurrito 13 points (+13|-0)

It's kind of sad how these mainstream wiki sites have been poisoned by trans ideology. (one example being "Rational"Wiki. Not very rational to think that letting any man, regardless of motive, self-id as a woman is a bright idea)

[–] KomalleanaByzantis 15 points (+15|-0)

I have always found it incredibly strange how irrational the so-called rational encyclopaedia is; it really is just a men's club, nothing more.

[–] Mikkal 12 points (+12|-0) Edited

Fascinating read - but it doesn't look like the Wikipedia admins have made a decision at all, it's still open and pending? It there another place it was discussed?

I dropped out of Wikipedia a long time ago. It's fine to get a general sense of a topic, but anything regarding "fandom" is a nightmare, and those are the articles with the most dedicated editors... pushing their own POV about their fandoms. Lots of trolling, name calling, and childish behavior.

ETA: Found what you were referencing, very interesting indeed.

My experience was that there were men specifically targeting topics that were of interest to women, and re-writing them with language that implied that, as topics that interest women, they weren't very important. Then pretending they were doing no such thing or claimed they were just "rewriting the article to be neutral".

[–] pixiebiz [OP] 8 points (+8|-0) Edited

Here is the relevant passage, it is one of the bullets under the subheading "Discretionary sanctions?" and the Admins are GirthSummit and El_C.

I support discretionary sanctions for all articles that deal with transgender issues.WP:UNCIVIL, WP:NPA and WP:HOUNDING violations are out of control and have been for some time. The most aggressive editors work as a bloc to overwhelm any others who attempt to make pages adhere to WP:NPOV. I have confidence that the admins will recognize any offenders who might attempt to manipulate them and will deal with rule violations consistently. Lilipo25 (talk) 13:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Girth Summit, it is already covered by WP:ARBGG, so you are already authorized to apply the discretionary sanctions as you see fit. El_C 13:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

El C, that's interesting - I hadn't realised that gamergate discretionary sanctions were interpreted that broadly, but looking at it again I see that it covers any gender-related dispute or controversy. If you are confident that it would be uncontroversial to apply GG in content disputes over transgender issues, I will bear that in mind for the future. Newimpartial, Lilipo25 your comments directly above kind of underline the point that I was making. I am certain that stuff like what you describe does happen - but too many people in these debates lose their trust in other people far too quickly, and start seeing everyone who disagrees with them as part of an opposing side, and seem to end up assuming that anyone disagreeing with them is guilty of things like civil POV pushing, failure to hear whatever, hounding when they turn up at related articles, etc. WP:OFWV really is worth reading, and trying to abide by - especially when interacting with people you disagree with. GirthSummit (blether) 13:52, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Girth Summit, I'm confident. In fact, I have just invoked ARBGG to sanction Newimpartial yesterday with a one-way interaction ban with Lilipo. El_C 14:00, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I am still not entirely clear how this sequence of events merits this outcome, but I suppose discretionary sanctions means not having to say you're sorry. Newimpartial (talk) 14:36, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't think this sort of innuendo is to your credit, Newimpartial. I recognize venting, but you are not doing yourself any favours by engaging the imposition of your sanction in this manner. El_C 22:27, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Edited for Grammer and also to add in the relevant hyperlinks from the convo

[–] hellamomzilla 7 points (+7|-0)

I don't necessarily want to promote banning and censorship, but it is pretty fantastic to watch the other side have to cope with it. BAN HAMMER AWAY, WIKIPEDIA.

[–] fallingwater 10 points (+10|-0)

thanks for sharing - a really illuminating look behind the scenes and, if i may add, some good fucking news for once!

[–] IronicWolf 6 points (+6|-0)

Slight tangent, but more women really need to get involved with editing Wikipedia. At the moment it is a bunch of blokes defining and describing the world.

[–] womeninlove 4 points (+4|-0)

Time to cancel wikipedia! /s

I do a TINY bit of wikipedia editing/creating, but I always look at the talk pages of articles with a lot of weird stuff going on in them. Inevitably there's someone with an agenda trying to improve vandalize the article.

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