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Thousands of people shared their Peak Trans stories on r/GenderCritical before trans activists managed to pressure Reddit into censoring us. If you shared before, please share again.


Many of us accepted the claims of trans activists, wanting to be tolerant and kind, until we really listened to what they were saying and compared it to our own knowledge and experience.

  • Can "woman" be just an identity, divorced from biology? Can penises be female? Can men give birth? Do trans women really have periods?

  • Is it fair for males to compete with girls and women in women's sports?

  • Should people be forced to "accept" that trans women are women, and be compelled to say so? Should people really be censored for disagreeing, or saying anything contrary about it?

  • Should women be called "cis women" even when they don't identify with sexist gender roles, just because they aren't trans? Doesn't the claim that gender is some kind of natural, inborn psychological phenomenon contradict decades of feminists saying gender is a limiting social construct that is forced on us by society?

  • Should girls who don't like dolls or dresses be treated with double mastectomies and lifelong hormones? Should we be cavalier about prescribing puberty blockers to children when they can cause life-long health problems?

  • Should women be shamed as trans-exclusionary for talking about our reproductive health and anatomy? Are "pussy hats" transphobic?

  • Is it acceptable for lesbians to be bullied for not wanting to have relationships with trans women? Doesn't the struggle against the "cotton ceiling" contradict everything we've been saying about enthusiastic consent and rape culture?

  • Should women be denied the option of not seeing a penis in a women's shower room? Is it really transphobia that makes women alarmed at seeing males in women-only spaces? Is it actually transphobic for women to not want trans women in women-only rape crisis centers, domestic violence shelters, or prisons?

  • Should women never be allowed to exclude males from any women's spaces, groups, or events? Are people who disagree with what trans activists say really all "trans exclusionary radical feminists" or "TERFs," even when they aren't feminists or trans-exclusionary?

What is peak trans?

Many of us called this “peak trans”—that moment when you realize “trans rights” are not really about supporting a marginalized population, but about undermining the rights of girls and women and bullying people into accepting transgender ideology. –Thistle Peterson: How I Became the Most Hated Folk Singer in Madison

Are you ready to reach peak trans? Or you just want to know what those "TERFs" you've heard about are saying so you can debunk them? Read on... and get ready to add your own story!


NOTE: Please reserve this space for peak trans stories only! Brief messages of welcome are fine, but if something here inspires you to more discussion, please make a new post.

Thousands of people shared their Peak Trans stories on r/GenderCritical before trans activists managed to pressure Reddit into censoring us. If you shared before, please share again. * [Peak Trans Reprise I](https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/121/peak-trans-reprise-tell-your-story-here) * [Peak Trans Reprise II](https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/5253/peak-trans-reprise-ii-tell-your-story-here) ----- **Many of us accepted the claims of trans activists, wanting to be tolerant and kind, until we really listened to what they were saying and compared it to our own knowledge and experience.** - Can "woman" be just an identity, divorced from biology? Can penises be female? Can men give birth? Do trans women really have periods? - Is it fair for males to compete with girls and women in women's sports? - Should people be forced to "accept" that trans women are women, and be compelled to say so? Should people really be censored for disagreeing, or saying anything contrary about it? - Should women be called "cis women" even when they don't identify with sexist gender roles, just because they aren't trans? Doesn't the claim that gender is some kind of natural, inborn psychological phenomenon contradict decades of feminists saying gender is a limiting social construct that is forced on us by society? - Should girls who don't like dolls or dresses be treated with double mastectomies and lifelong hormones? Should we be cavalier about prescribing puberty blockers to children when they can cause life-long health problems? - Should women be shamed as trans-exclusionary for talking about our reproductive health and anatomy? Are "pussy hats" transphobic? - Is it acceptable for lesbians to be bullied for not wanting to have relationships with trans women? Doesn't the struggle against the "cotton ceiling" contradict everything we've been saying about enthusiastic consent and rape culture? - Should women be denied the option of not seeing a penis in a women's shower room? Is it really transphobia that makes women alarmed at seeing males in women-only spaces? Is it actually transphobic for women to not want trans women in women-only rape crisis centers, domestic violence shelters, or prisons? - Should women never be allowed to exclude males from any women's spaces, groups, or events? Are people who disagree with what trans activists say really all "trans exclusionary radical feminists" or "TERFs," even when they aren't feminists or trans-exclusionary? ##What is peak trans? > Many of us called this “peak trans”—that moment when you realize “trans rights” are not really about supporting a marginalized population, but about undermining the rights of girls and women and bullying people into accepting transgender ideology. [–Thistle Peterson: How I Became the Most Hated Folk Singer in Madison](https://archive.is/o/XVLl1/https://uncommongroundmedia.com/thistle-pettersen-how-i-became-the-most-hated-folk-singer-in-madison/) Are you ready to reach peak trans? Or you just want to know what those "TERFs" you've heard about are saying so you can debunk them? Read on... and get ready to add your own story! ----- NOTE: Please reserve this space for peak trans stories only! Brief messages of welcome are fine, but if something here inspires you to more discussion, please make a new post.

257 comments

[–] Kevina 66 points (+66|-0)

I peaked when I heard about the trans"girls" in Connecticutt winning women's sporting events at the high school level. I'm like WUT? They're just CALLING themselves girls, and they're then allowed to run in GIRLS track events? I was like wtf? Have people lost their minds? And then I watched some of the races that featured these "transgirls" and it was like holy fuck, the looks on the faces of the girls after losing to these boys was heartbreaking. And then one of the boys had the audacity to say something to the effect of "well i guess the girls who lost should just train harder".

As a woman who played a lot of sports, and for whom sports had a very lasting and meaningful impact on my life, this sent me right over the edge.

[–] llkit 17 points (+17|-0)

Yup. Sport is often not high on the list of activities of folk into identity politics. Spent enough time in those circles.

[–] [Deleted] 56 points (+56|-0)

Haven't posted my peak trans story yet so here goes:

I peaked about 5 months ago after detransitioning (ftmtf). The time I spent idenitifying as trans was the most depressing time of my life; my anorexia got worse, I developed a porn addiction and repeatedly got groomed by older men online to feel 'valid'. It got so miserable I tried looking to see if there was anyway to stop being trans and found out about detransitioning. I still felt gross about being a woman and most of my TRA friends stopped talking to me so I started browing r/detrans for support. Through that subreddit I found gender critical feminism and it all just made so much sense. I was hurt so bad by transgenderism and it's community that I was relieved to find a space where I wouldn't be shunned for having GC views. I'm so thankful for radical feminism as it taught me being a woman doesn't mean being perfect or feminine, it just means being me. I no longer obsess over my appearance, I'm finally enjoying life and I've fully recovered from my anorexia.

[–] hmimperialtortie 23 points (+23|-0)

Thank you for sharing that. I’m very glad you recovered and are happy!

[–] Kevina 14 points (+14|-0)

Welcome! Do you still lurk there? I've many times wanted to ask some of the posters there whether they know about Ovarit but I'm not allowed to post there and I don't want to do anything to endanger the sub.

[–] RealMapelFlavour 55 points (+55|-0)

I had my first peak trans laugh when a TIF posted a message about her university's new gender neutral bathrooms and asked that students who aren't trans refrain from using them.

[–] Carrots90 17 points (+17|-0)

But when we say they should have a trans br we are ‘othering’ them.

[–] sarahsmile 52 points (+53|-1)

When graduates of my Seven Sisters undergrad were chided for saying "sisters." See also: admissions policy permitting males to attend said undergrad.

[–] lulululululu 46 points (+46|-0)

HAHAHA i went to a women’s college too and I came here to comment this but you already did so I don’t have to!

I graduated before TIMs were allowed in, so I don’t know how that’s affected the school, but all the TIFs there demanding to be called men but also demanding to attend a women’s college completely broke my brain...

[–] bellatrixbells 21 points (+21|-0)

What the actual mind clusterfuck.

[–] lulululululu 29 points (+29|-0)

Yeah. One argument that I heard frequently that really broke my brain was that the college wasn't actually intended to be a women's college, it was intended to be an "all oppressed genders college" but since people didn't know about TIFs back then, women were the only oppressed gender around to be admitted... but since we know about TIFs now, we should let them in as an oppressed gender. LMAO.

In reality, I think they just liked the romantic and sexual attention they got for being some of the few "men" around so were grasping at straws to justify being "literally men" at a women's college.

[–] sarahsmile 17 points (+17|-0)

I heard there were kerfuffles over TIFs wanting to interview prospective students. I mean...honestly. Transfer if it's that important to you to be male!

[–] adun 17 points (+17|-0)

all the TIFs there demanding to be called men but also demanding to attend a women’s college completely broke my brain...

This is something I see a lot. I feel like the ultraliberal kind of TIFs seems to think they can have their cake and eat it, too. Probably because they recognise what BS transitioning is and that it doesn't save them from people treating them like crap for being female, but they hold onto their super special identities anyways because it's so much more interesting than just a boring old woman going through boring old misogyny. This brand of TIF also tends to be all about "genderfuckery" which means they don't even make an attempt to "pass", leading to more frustrations than usual over people not being able to delude themselves that they're the opposite sex.

I definitely prefer them to the women filled to the brim with internalised misogyny who will rush to proclaim #notLikeOtherGirls for male approval, but that at least seems more straightforward and backwards in the usual ways we're familiar with, than this.

[–] zuubat 9 points (+9|-0)

Oh, yeah, that NYT story of the TIFs having been accepted at a women's college because they were, you know, women, and after "transitioning" demanding a thousand-and-one ridiculous accommodations from the other women: students, faculty, staff, and administrators. AND GETTING THEM!!!

I all-capped the second clause b/c for me that was the most demoralizing thing: Even for pretend men, the women fell all over themselves to be nice but no matter how nice it was still not enough. A few women desisted, and they were doxxed (or whatever the IRL version of that is) so badly that they declined to give their names to the NYT.

[–] sarahsmile 34 points (+34|-0)

I'm old (50), so the whole thing seemed even more insane to me. I honestly couldn't believe it and wrote a letter to the President telling her that the school should just be intellectually honest and go co-ed.

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[–] Alice_eve 21 points (+21|-0)

Same here sister. Though I was just starting out at a seven sisters school and was shocked we had to say "sibs" instead.

[–] lulululululu 20 points (+20|-0)

<3

Also went to a women’s college where we had to say “sibs” and I’m really happy to know other people were feeling the same way and see them here :)

[–] babyradfemme 5 points (+5|-0)

used to attend a (supposedly quite feminist) single-sex high school, and heard about how the teachers apparently had been told to start calling us 'students' instead of 'girls'. So obnoxious. Good thing none of the teachers took it seriously lmao

[–] boudica 48 points (+48|-0) Edited

Like a lot of peaked women, I was originally completely down with the trans rights movement. The movement I originally knew in the early 2000s was focused on equal rights for housing, employment, etc. and protection against violence. When requested (not demanded) to use specific pronouns, I obliged out of solidarity. I empathized with the plight of trans persons, and even remember using the argument, "What if you woke up one morning with the opposite sex genitals? How awful and weird would that be?!" (I now fully realize how ridiculous that explanation is, but I still see it used by TRAs every day...) But this was also back when you could still explain things like "a transwoman is a male who identifies as female" in public online arenas without activists going bonkers on you for your ~hate speech and misgendering~ Basically, things were a lot more logical and more based in reality back then.

Then came the 2010s... the hundreds of genders and made-up sexualities on Tumblr, the ridiculous controversy over "transphobic pussy hats" at the Women's March, the explosion of "transbians," and of course Bruce Jenner. Thing was, originally there was a discourse allowed around these subjects. I remember healthy debates over the "pussy hats" that now would be deleted within minutes on Reddit, Twitter, etc. Watching these kinds of discussions get silenced, deleted, and users banned was a big part of my peaking.

The other big part was just knowing, watching, hearing, and following the trans activists themselves. I've been on the internet for a long time, and I've seen some shit... this new trans phenomenon is really nothing much different from previous internet identity phenomena. Others have made the connections better, but there's a lot to be said about how similar the various trans communities are to earlier internet communities like furries, otherkin, fandom (lots of TIF crossover with big fandoms like Harry Potter, Dr. Who, Supernatural, yaoi, etc.), pro ana/eating disorder, munchausens-by-internet characters, internet death-fakers, catfishing, etc. I watched so many early internet lolcows eventually become trans, and it did nothing but convince me this is all just another trend and the perfect way for attention-seekers to fulfill their wildest narcissistic dreams. They became "trans" when it became popular, just like they self-diagnosed with every new trendy disease.

At first I tried to convince myself it was just a few rotten apples, but after watching the rotten apple pile get bigger and bigger and bigger, I couldn't lie to myself anymore. The trans activists that pushed me over the edge were Riley J Dennis, for introducing me to the "cotton ceiling," and then in 2018* came the trashfire of Jonathan Yaniv... after that peak, there was no return.

I look back on my previous acceptance of trans activism, and I think I'm able to finally voice how I actually felt back then. I was sympathetic to TIMs and TIFs because I saw them as "Kinsey 9s" that were more comfortable living as the opposite sex in a homophobic world. I couldn't admit that back then, but I see it now. And the reason I see it now is because of the straight "trans" people, who have never made any sense to me. One of my earliest "Hey, hold on here" moments was first learning about transbians... the idea never sat right with me, especially as a woman who has had numerous gross straight men joke about how they're "totally lesbians, too, har har!!" All I see are men once again trying to force themselves on the most unattainable of all women - lesbians - and I see a bunch of straight people pushing their way into the gay rights movement. Once you see the truth of what's really going on, you can never go back.

*(edited the date for accuracy)

[–] freesmells 12 points (+12|-0)

Lol, your post made me remember Chris-chan. Or should I say, Christine-chan. God, what a trainwreck.

[–] [Deleted] 5 points (+5|-0)

Can you talk more about the overlap you see between fandoms and trans? I’ve never been deep into any particular fandoms, but on the edges of some: Star Trek and BSG are the major ones. Now, never to the level of costumes or conventions, so perhaps I’ve just been far too shallow in those waters. But I don’t immediately see the connection with fandoms for HP, Dr. Who, etc and trans - unless it’s people who prefer living in non-reality, the type who get personally angry if their favourite FICTIONAL character is criticized, etc?

Anyway, interested in learning more.

[–] boudica 8 points (+8|-0)

This is just based on my experience, but I mostly see the cross-over with the "fangirls" in those fandoms who are or were obsessed with MLM pairings. I spent quite a bit of time on places like LiveJournal in the early 2000s and remember being inundated with fanfics and fanart about Harry x Draco, Sirius x Lupin, etc. in Harry Potter communities, "Wincest" in Supernatural (and later Castiel added into the mix), and that was around the time that Matt Smith and David Tennant were the Doctor on Dr. Who, so there were similar types of "yaoi" writings and artwork about them.

Quite a few people have noticed that many of the TIFs on the internet (especially on Tumblr) were also usually heavily involved with MLM artwork and fanfic within these fandoms. There has been speculation in the past (before genderism took off) about how women and girls are drawn to yaoi and MLM stuff because it presents a "safe" and "nonthreatening" type of sexuality for them to enjoy. It's a similar argument to why women were originally kind of okay with TIMs in women's spaces, because we thought they were HSTSs, and thus gay men who we think of as much less threatening. But it also relates to internalized misogyny and women who find other women to be threatening. With MLM pairings, there is no woman to threaten the fan's attraction - she doesn't have another woman to compare herself to. You saw this a bit in those general fandoms, too, where the fans would react negatively to a new female character being introduced to Supernatural, or how pretty much any girl who was even hinted at being paired with Harry Potter (especially Cho Chang) was not welcomed very warmly by fans. (There are other reasons, such as bad writing, for these reactions, but it's telling that female characters are usually the ones who have to fight to be accepted by the fandom.)

ANYWAYS the idea of these "nonthreatening" MLM pairings seems to have taken hold in some of these fangirls' minds, and it's almost as if they are trying to turn themselves into the male characters they love so much. There are some imageboard threads that look into this phenomenon in more detail (see: "fakebois" or "transtrenders"), where some of these women started off as fangirls who would cosplay as male characters, take photos with MLM themes (though usually with another women in "crossplay"), and then eventually started transitioning. This is where I first started to see a lot of the "gay" TIFs.

I think what you said about "people who prefer living in non-reality" is also right on the nose. That's an issue that I think we should be taking a look at on a deeper level with all trans-identified people who "discovered their identity" on the internet.

[–] [Deleted] 2 points (+2|-0)

Thanks for this - I appreciate the explanation. That's not an area of fandom I was ever in, and the insights here make a lot of sense.

[–] Amareldys 4 points (+4|-0)

Waking up with a dick would be awful because I'm in a heterosexual relationship and many of my other life choices have been influenced by navigating the world as a woman and it's too late to go back and change things.

If I'd been born with a dick, however, then fine. Whatevs. There are a lot of different choices I would have made.

[–] LasagnaRossa 41 points (+41|-0)

I peaked again some weeks ago, after a realization. That all this gender craze, these wishy-washy definitions about what constitutes a man and a woman, is happening in western countries only, where women have almost reached equality.

Where were these people when women were a second class citizen due to their sex?

Where are these people in other countries, where girls get murdered when they are still in the womb? Where they are given as child spouses to someone twenty years older than them? Where they get their vulvas shut and all libido lost?

Women have been discriminated for centuries just because of their appearance and now, suddenly, the very reasons they were "the other class" don't matter anymore? Now, suddenly, society can't tell what's a woman anymore? Are they kidding me?!

[–] adun 15 points (+15|-0) Edited

is happening in western countries only, where women have almost reached equality.

Women are not even close to reaching equality, and I suggest you look into studies about how women are viewed, the amount of sexual harrassment and rape women deal with from men, the kinds of anxieties women still face, the expectations men have from women in relationships, the kinds of porn men watch and who still runs the world if you seriously think this. Just because women are not slaves for men anymore doesn't mean we are in any way seen as equal. The reason all this is happening in Western countries is precisely because women are unequal, which is why there's such a huge boom in women trying to escape their normalised inferior role by identifying as superior men. They know that (liberal) feminism has abandoned them, because it's more concerned with trying to make women feel empowered and liberated for doing the same misogynistic things that were always expected of women. Because this inequality is more subtle now, liberal women are trying desperately to fit into a patriarchal world so they wouldn't step on men's toes, and men are trying desperately to redirect female rights into being all about pandering to them, like everything else. Hence, gender. Liberalism is now selling women the notion that women existing as sex objects for men is liberating and empowering as long as women like the approval this gets them for not pushing back against the patriarchal status quo.

Where are these people in other countries, where girls get murdered when they are still in the womb? Where they are given as child spouses to someone twenty years older than them? Where they get their vulvas shut and all libido lost?

You think women in Western countries don't suffer sexual harassment, rape, dehumanisation and exclusion every day just because of who they are?

[–] llkit 4 points (+5|-1)

Almost reached equality in a man's world. I do think dwindling resources and Late stage capitalism are contributing factors. Those who were giving some room at the top table note want to grab it back.

[–] xenomoth912 40 points (+40|-0)

I've been close to my peak for a while, but this has really got my gears grinding.

I work with kids. A kid has been telling me for ages (in very high states of distress) they miss their mum - fair go. I can work with that - separation anxiety is typical. Mentioning it to other staff who know the kid better have only gotten lukewarm responses. Come to find out this week that it's not separation anxiety - mum has decided to transition to live as a male, and refuses to be called mum anymore.

How the fuck can you put that burden onto your young child?? The poor kid has been so out of sorts for MONTHS, and the fact that my coworkers couldn't candidly discuss the issue out of fear of disciplinary action is beyond shocking. I don't know who I feel more depressed for - the child, or the education system as a whole.

[–] Hollyhock 11 points (+11|-0)

Oh my god...how is that not abuse? Gaslighting is abuse. I'm so, so sorry. And nobody can help the child...this whole thing is so goddamn wrong...allowing child abuse in plain sight.

[–] Ave_Lucifuge 38 points (+38|-0) Edited

I started peaking years ago when I began reading about TIMs without bottom surgery complaining about not being allowed into women only spaces, and then the whole "truscum" bullshit. Alarm bells were going off that they didn't respect natal women as much as we were expected to respect them.

I toppled over the edge when I was lurking Kiwi Farms, mostly watching people like Russell Greer and other grody misogynists, and came across threads for "Rat Kings" (infamous online TIMs). The amount of entitlement, rape rhetoric, and misogyny IN THEIR OWN words pushed me quickly from trans supporter to proud GC. I thought trans women suffered from body dysmorphia, not delusions about being biologically a woman because they enjoy deep throating and princess dresses, or whatever. I felt completely duped and betrayed.

[–] boudica 27 points (+27|-0) Edited

My peaking story is also highly inspired by lurking around the internet and seeing the repulsive behavior of TIMs. Nothing peaks someone faster than seeing the true face of most of these so-called activists.

Also, noticing the extreme similarities between the AGPs dominating current trans discourse and early 2000s internet furries & 4chan porn addicts. They are literally the same people, honestly, they've just found a new fantasy world to escape into - and this time people are bending over backwards to feed the delusion for fear of being seen as unwoke.

[–] Ave_Lucifuge 14 points (+14|-0)

That's an excellent point. Without the cover of body dysmorphia, transtrenders are just one step removed from Otherkin. It's unbelievable.

[–] distortedlinds 34 points (+34|-0) Edited

for me it was more of a gradual thing, I can't pinpoint that one thing.

I guess it was when I lost male 'friends' on facebook for sharing that ACTUAL REAL news article that reported on "Father who raped own child will receive tax-payer funding for gender transition and move to women's prison" and THESE were the replies:

  • "Goodbye "distortedlinds" (real name removed). You’re an opinion looking for a reason. You’re not thinking this through and it’s turning you into something ugly." (I have to add I DO NOT even remotely personally know this person at all, we've spoken twice in person about art for 5 minutes, thats it. Yet he claims he knows me?! What? This sincerely bothered me)
  • "I hate to do this as well, but I can't get with this anti trans BS. It's hurtful to the lgbtq community and personally I'm disappointed at this. Someone being trans doesn't make them a sex offender or a pedophile. I have many close trans friends. I'm sorry, for such a talented artist you are using a giant brush and just one color here. Take care!"
  • "Yeah SMH sorry "distortedlinds", I'm disappointed by this."

...?? not once did they address the article I shared. I have found that the wokeians who won't question the agenda at hand are the ones that will attack who I AM, and not the REAL issue at hand here, they insist on talking about my behavior (what? sticking up for womens rights??) and try and tell me I am wrong meanwhile providing NO evidence (seriously, not a single ounce of a legitimate argument!!) on why I could be wrong. They ALWAYS classically name call or do this mental game that tries and makes ME feel bad/guilt trip for being a pro-science/biology realistic human being. holy hell, that was the biggest "what the fuck is going on?"

here's another one: this one was in reply to this.

  • "What? Are you serious? This is ridiculous, and you should actually speak and listen to some trans people rather than judge based on ridiculous assumptions put forth by fearful straight people. This is so ignorant and awful, I can't believe you shared this."
  • "No, "distortedlinds" You’re going down a path that’s flawed and wrong. You’re becoming something you were previously against. Please rethink this journey you’ve put yourself on." (this is that same dude who claims he knows who I am at my core mentioned above, we barely know each other.) I am fuckin' GOOD, I do not need those people in my life. I will not sit complacent in female voices being shut down and banned. I will not sit silent with men competing in womens sports. I will not sit and watch men slam open the doors to our bathrooms and get to flaunt their fetish. I won't sit here and watch mens feelings be more important than WOMENS.

They (TRA's) want fantasy/fetish/sissy to be real life, meanwhile us REALITY fact based biological scientific humans who have boundaries, are living among them. We are truly fucked, the world is under an evil spell that is secretly trying to stomp out womankind/females.

Here's this one, from my now ex-best FEMALE(!!) friend:

  • "I’m worried that you’re alienating everyone with this new campaign. I hope it’s not too forward to ask, but what has happened? Are you hurting? The posts on Twitter read like you’re trying to ruffle feathers, draw a line in the sand, and build a wall."
  • "I guess by ruffle feathers it reminds me of how people find an identity and build a wall. For example, and I am not putting this on you, it reminds me of when I did the born again thing when I left home and was looking for acceptance. I drank the cool-aid to the point where I was becoming hateful of everyone and everything that wasn’t saved. I was deep in that non denomination. It wasn’t until I realized how unchrist like it was to hate others that I stepped away. If this is what you need to do to protect yourself. I’m letting you know the rhetoric is alienating. I'm trying to be a friend." (blood...boiling)
[–] SilkySquid 28 points (+28|-0)

Someone being trans doesn't make them a sex offender or a pedophile

OMG, as a response to you linking that article?!?! Yeah, that's TRUE... but someone who is trans being a sex offender and pedophile DOES make that person a sex offender and pedophile!

[–] distortedlinds 14 points (+14|-0)

yeah....I mean, their reactions are still shocking to me. THAT is the hill they will die on? It speaks volumes to me on what they are okay with. Horrifying.

[–] adun 11 points (+11|-0)

Here's the thing about this: no, being trans doesn't make one a sex offender or a pedophile. Neither does being a man. But the fact that they are men puts them into that dangerous bracket where the likelihood of harming or distressing women is far higher than it should be.

Every time TRAs try to pull the "You think all trans people are criminals, you bigot!" shit, push back with "So if we exclude men from female spaces, does that mean you think all men are criminals by virtue of being men?".

[–] gloryinthemelee 11 points (+11|-0)

Yep. We all want everyone to be happy and healthy, except for predators. Self ID opens the gates to predators. It isn't well thought through.

[–] gloryinthemelee 13 points (+13|-0)

Sorry your friends & acquaintances are under-theorised and over-sensitive.

[–] distortedlinds 13 points (+13|-0)

don't be, it's okay honestly. I appreciate your words. I am thrilled to know I've done my research and know I am on the 'right side of history.' I feel proud. I cannot change the actions of others, thats not my job. Its weird, friendship means everything to me, but losing my FEMALE best friend over this has been the easiest. Because in my heart of hearts, I know what I am doing is in the best interest of females/the future. I am okay with this, honestly. I will go down on this hill. cue braveheart's FREEDOMMMMM type shit lol :) seriously though, I know what I am doing is where real honor is.

[–] salty-tomorrow 4 points (+4|-0)

The posts on Twitter read like you’re trying to ruffle feathers, draw a line in the sand, and build a wall.

“It sounds like you’re trying to establish boundaries. Don’t you know how hateful it is to have boundaries? You should really reconsider alienating people who don’t respect your boundaries.”

[–] distortedlinds 3 points (+3|-0)

lol i know, exactly. SHE is the one building a god damn wall from reality. that was from my fucking best FRIEND (at the time)...the level of deceptiveness and traitor i got from her blew my mind.

[–] platypus 32 points (+32|-0)

So I think I'm finally peaking right now, after two highly abusive long-term relationships with trans identified guys. The thing is, for a while now I've had the realization that my abusive partners were nothing but fetishists. They were both hypersexual, porn sick, into bondage and breastfeeding and furries and all the typical perverted stuff you might expect. So you could call that peak #1.

But I was still operating with the understanding that there are "real transsexuals" out there, "homosexual transsexuals," whatever you want to call them. They identify as girls when they're children, they're feminine, they're into men, all that. Maybe they're not female per se, but the difference between a "real trans woman" and a biological woman is negligible... right?

Well last I was watching a video on famous trans woman Nikki Tutorials. She fits the image of a "true transsexual" to a T. But at one point they play a clip of her complaining about how "girls don't like makeup anymore, it's falling out of popularity, women are ashamed to admit they like makeup now. But guys! mAkEuP iS aRt, it's great and we should all be encouraged to use it!!"

And it just hit me. This is a man, sitting here trying to tell women and girls why it's "good" to support a billion dollar, exploitative, patriarchal industry. I don't appreciate it when women try to tell me I should be wearing makeup and shaving my legs, and I sure as hell don't appreciate being told as much by a fucking man in a dress.

And it just dawned on me. Even the "real transsexuals" are not women. When I look at Nikki Tutorials I'm not looking at a woman. I'm looking at a drag queen. A gay man. Since when are gay men known for respecting women? Gay male culture is so often criticised for being obsessed with youth, vanity, appearances (I've heard as much from many gay male friends. Ironically they were the same friends who tried to convince me dress "more feminine"). Nikki Tutorials isn't a famous artist, women's rights activists, actress, cave diver, scientist, etc. It's not like she's a woman of great substance. Nikki Tutorials is just a little gay boy who was so obsessed with the patriarchal oppressive forced female role, his parents allowed him to embody it.

In the old days, the eunochs were the historical "keepers" of women. I can't help but see the parallel. If the gay men can keep us all obsessed with the "art" or performative toxic femininity, if they can keep us wasting our time and energy, throwing money at the patriarchy so we can shave our legs and paint our faces because we "just like it for some reason" and never stop to ask why, they keep us in chains. Feminine trans women, drag queens, gay men like James Charles and Jeffree Star, it's all just a trap to keep us oppressed. Because it can't be harmful if even the men are doing it, right? It's so fun and liberating when the men do it.

This leads to the thousands of women who "feel more like a gay man on the inside." When they put on makeup, they think about the drag queens and their gay male friends who are so supportive of her performative femininity and make it all so "fun." But you're not a gay man. You can't wash that shit off. This is your fucking life, you're a woman, and a golden cage is still a cage. And now you're the one men will point to when other women say "let me out of this fucking cage," because some women LIKE their cages. Some women don't even consider them cages. Some women don't mind dumping thousands of dollars into the cosmetic industry. Some women love shaving their entire bodies, they never cut themselves or get razor burn or ingrown hairs or neck pain from craning down and seeking every little forbidden hair. Some women like being beaten during sex. Even some men enjoy these things. So what the hell are you complaining about?

Anyway I don't think I believe in trans at all anymore, AGP or "true transsexuals." It's all just perverts and preening gay men addicted to toxic patriarchal femininity. I have no problem with gay men but I'm sure as hell not going to let them define womanhood.

[–] meesh2020k 4 points (+4|-0)

Thank you taking the time to write out this comment. There is no true trans, its all bs. No man is really a woman. Its been frustrating seeing so many GC women still try to be "nice" and say that well some men can be. Its why pronouns are so dangerous. It contributes to the brainwashing that is the foundation of the whole trans movement. Its why pronouns and TWAW is so highly pushed. If you think of these men as somehow women or even just not men, it hides the misogyny so deeply embedded in this movement. Once you say he and TWAM, it all snaps right into place and makes everything crystal clear. I really appreciate your comment bc its just so frustrating seeing GC women honor pronouns and try to make excuses for some of these men bc they're somehow the men who are really women. I try to understand bc I know how deep female socialization truly is, but its frustrating none the less.

[–] Sylvia_Bern 4 points (+4|-0)

Brilliantly written. And the link to eunuchs- WOW yes - I see it.

[–] materialgirl 3 points (+3|-0)

Wow... I feel like I’m waking up to makeup and questioning why I wear it/research it/spend so much money on it, especially in lockdown.

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

jeffree starr who tased a teenage boy during a sexcapade?

This leads to the thousands of women who "feel more like a gay man on the inside." When they put on makeup, they think about the drag queens and their gay male friends who are so supportive of her performative femininity and make it all so "fun." But you're not a gay man. You can't wash that shit off. This is your fucking life, you're a woman, and a golden cage is still a cage. And now you're the one men will point to when other women say "let me out of this fucking cage," because some women LIKE their cages.

facts

[–] common_shrew 30 points (+30|-0)

I peaked last year when everything blew up over JK Rowling’s latest book. I had been eagerly anticipating its release when I saw all these pre-release reviews saying it was transphobic and that if I read this book, I was a transphobe. Until that point I had not engaged with the trans rights movements very much, I’d just assumed it was a fairly normal human rights movement. I was vaguely aware that it didn’t really compute for me, given that I have always been a feminist, and my understanding and lived experience of gender is that it’s imposed on me and a crock of shit. But I kinda thought I was just being uncharitable and that I probably just didn’t know what it was like to have real dysphoria, and that for all I know people really DO feel they’re in the wrong body, etc etc.

But being called a transphobe for planning to read a novel, I knew something was amiss. I started to read around and I have to say I peaked almost immediately. The rage I feel at seeing womanhood denied, appropriated AND erased is just unbounded. My life, my mother’s life, all the other women in my life, we have all suffered so much as a direct result of being born women. And we’re a drop in the ocean of the women on this earth who have suffered the same and much worse. So the idea that any of it is because we “identified” into being women is just absolutely repugnant. My menstrual cycle runs my life. My mother had suicidal depression during menopause. Like so many other women I’ve been sexually assaulted and sexually abused. The amount of money and time I’ve had to spend on therapy. The idea that I identified into all that feels like the world’s new exciting way to tell us all that we deserve the way we’ve been treated, that we were asking for it.

The main point at which it all became clear however was when I noticed how many men wanted first to be acknowledged as literal women, but then wanted to maintain their special separateness, and DESTROY what’s already here for us. Like if they truly felt themselves women, wouldn’t they want to act like women, be called a woman? Blend in with women? Why would they ask to rename things like “women’s healthcare” to “healthcare for people who menstruate” just because they are a woman who doesn’t menstruate? Why would they be calling out special attention to themselves like that if they wanted so badly to belong to our group? No woman will ever complain that they should rename something that benefits other women, just because she doesn’t need that exact one specific thing.

So that was it, and now I’m out and peaked and proud. TERFs forever: ride together, die together!

[–] windrunner 11 points (+11|-0)

"I’d just assumed it was a fairly normal human rights movement." We all did at some point... until we actually learned what this was all about.

"I started to read around and I have to say I peaked almost immediately." That's exactly why trans rights activists don't want people reading GC things because they know many people DO wake up from the haze. That is why they also brand everything they can as transphobic and are always engaging in emotional blackmail so people don't stray from their 'TWAW and TMAM' cult.

"...I noticed how many men wanted first to be acknowledged as literal women, but then wanted to maintain their special separateness, and DESTROY what’s already here for us." You were spot on here.

[–] common_shrew 7 points (+7|-0)

Thanks! And yes you're so right, I didn't see the emotional blackmailing for what it was, at all. Sadly it really is enough to keep most people from looking into the whole issue and thinking about it independently.

[–] windrunner 5 points (+5|-0)

Many people don't normally do, especially women, because we want to see the good in everything. That's why they target us the most (including lesbians) and prey upon our natural 'kindness'. Men are usually more violent/rude and see right through the bs, that is, when they're not trying to earn woke ally brownie points.

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