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Dude: So... all dudes on a women's team. Yes or no?
ACLU: (blinks a thousand times to signal for help) I don't understand the question can you repeat it?
Dude: So you're cool with one or two dudes on a women's sports team, but how about all dudes?
ACLU: T-t-t-trans women are women, trans girls are girls.... trans women are women... trans girls are girls...
Dude: Ok is this like a seance now, or...??
I’m sorry I just have to say. I may be slightly stoned right now, but you are so funny.
I keep returning to this and laughing like a maniac.
This little tidbit we just witnessed is Peak Politics right now.
I second this sentiment.
Can you imagine being in that TRA handmaiden's family?
husband: "baby, did you pick Junior up from school today?"
handmaiden: "TRANS-WOMEN ARE WOMEN!!!!!!"
husband: "I know dear. But I just wanted to know where our son-"
handmaiden: "TRANS-GIRLS ARE GIRLS!!!! GENDER IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!!!!
....also I caught Junior with a Barbie and sent him to the gender clinic. His name is Jennifer now!!!! TRANS RIGHTS!!!"
If gender is a social construct then how the fuck are trans girls girls
God where's the cyanide when you need it
LMAO I literally tried to upvote this twice!
No, silly. She's just getting to the part where you switch from Hare Krishna to Krishna Krishna.
Hare Kristina?
It’s like her brain short circuited there for a second and rebooted.
"I'll write that down as a yes." That unseen dude has no time for her double-speak
I don't really want to watch the video. You're telling me it's a woman supporting the all-male female sports team, and it's a man trying to call her out on it? I am so fucking sick of handmaidens and libfems.
The man seems to be a state legislator and the woman is an ACLU... lawyer? staff?
He asks if she would support a "women's" team consisting entirely of biological male transwomen. She panics, asks him to repeat the question to buy time, then doubles down on "TWAW, TGAG, we will support their rights".
And yes, she appears very much so to be a biological woman, nothing TIM like about her. I too wonder how women get to this point... I also wonder if at that moment something clicked inside her brain? Maybe I'm just a hopeless optimist
Yup. That's basically the clip. A dude asks a woman if she supports all TIM sports teams, and she asks for clarification. So he does, and she gives a slightly evasive answer. But the chairperson (or whoever is moderating this session of whatever) just goes: "I'll put that down as a 'yes.'"
You should watch it though. She's like a deer in headlights when asked this question. "So let's fast forward 20 years when maybe it's not so rare..."
Deer in headlights is just the description that came to mind for me. I hardly ever watch linked videos but this was quite something.
Wow, just watching her swallow her self-pride to handmaiden for this shit is disgusting. You can tell she knows this is FD up, yet does it anyway.
What gave it away? The fact she blinked like 28 times when he asked the question lol?
And how shocked she was by the question. "Wait - I really have to say that I am ok with no women in sports?"
And it won't take 20 years hun. Now that misogyny is in fashion, all the shitty males are going to want to steal women's awards. "I can crack a woman's skull and be called stunning and brave! Sign me up!"
It's seriously as if it was the first time she had considered the possibility. What is WRONG with these people? They love spouting off that TIMs are like 0.0000135% of the population, but that's only because up until now there were fucking RULES before you're considered trans. Now it's like if you've so much as walked by the makeup aisle at the supermarket, you can claim to be a woman, so obviously the numbers are skyrocketing.
Is this woman an attorney? Did she go to law school and pass the bar exam only to now be standing in front of a podium basically saying "no man has ever bent any rules ever and no man will ever take advantage of this"? Then why the fuck do we have any laws, at all, then?
right? like where is the difference between TIMs wanting to enter female sorts and the male mentality of 'y'all want equality? GUESS THAT MEANS WE CAN BASH YER SKULLS IN!'
Yes she’s doing it for her team.
Like a lady Mitch McConnell.
Wow WTF. What about the civil liberties of women and girls? This makes me so angry. For so many girls sports scholarships are their way out of their small towns; how many girls will lose out because of these policies?
Trans-identified males can still play on men's teams, where they're not height, skeletal, musculature, testosterone-level aberrations. They aren't being excluded from that participation. This isn't about fair and equal access--this is solely about validation for a socially-constructed identity.
Ahh yes, the only reason to play sports. Validation.
Ugh their doughy, weak, flabby bodies tell me everything I need to know about why they don't care about sports. The fucking elitism of nerds is suffocating and toxic.
Guess what, pasty nerds! You can like anime AND go to the gym! There's actually no legal or universal laws of physics that prevent you from doing so!
ACLU: I'm not going to speculate
Also ACLU: They'll kill themselves if we don't give them what they want
I'd like to say we could fight fire with fire and threaten suicide if we don't get our way. But we're uppity females. So nobody in power will care
It's like when Yoda said only the Sith deal in absolutes... like, did you hear what you just said??
Oh my god this was phenomenally cringeworthy on the part of the ACLU spokeswoman, you can pinpoint the second her brain crashes. There couldn’t be a more perfect response to this doublespeak nonsense than “I’ll write that down as a yes”.
And did you notice her Trump-like hand gesturing? I guess wild hand motions to distract from the words you're saying isn't just for conservatives, anymore lol!
There was also the exaggerated cocked head gesture to indicate theatrical bafflement at the question from behind the mask, and the dead eyed stare at the ground as she reiterated TWAW. Chase Strangio must be a monster. She's not the first woman I've seen go zombie under Chase.
Its telling that their paid spokeswoman could only chant Tumblr platitudes when faced with a very basic question. I'm honestly surprised she didn't cry about dead trans-women of color and the TERF menace.
She seemed distant like an abuse victim.
Yes. And Transwomen Are women - the guy should have asked what is the scientific basis of this statement.
I teach high school and know the "could you repeat the question?" stalling tactic well. I love how she tried to make a straightforward question seem byzantine.
What even is the ACLU anymore? Seems like they're having an identity crisis, pun intended.
Might as well call themselves the TCLU. 😒
Seriously! I'm counting the days until they just come out as a LGBTTTT organization.
Which state capitol is this?
Montana!
Mark it down, folks. Whatever the date of this hearing, that was the day the ACLU/trans "rights" jumped the shark.
I thought it jumped the shark last year when ACLU officials promoted banning books.
But there was no video there. Jumping the shark has a huge visual component, imo. But I agree that was absurd. We probably need a literary metaphor for that one.
I am laughing so hard. I thought she was going to panic and climb out the window!