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I'm starting this thread so I won't ruin the other one for those who want to feel good and kumbaya. But sorry I'm not optimistic. In fact, I'm furious. I've been furious all morning. This is absolute institutional capture. People will realize what's happening? Not a chance with MSM, academia, and Big Tech social media absolutely suppressing any dissenting voice. There's too much money to be made by Big Pharm. Big Tech has too many incels and Woke bros too interest in shutting down women complaining. The ship has sailed. Unless something absolutely horrible happens, this is now here to stay.

Just look at how this Executive Order was passed for chrissake. Did anyone even ask women? Was it even open to the public for debate? Wake up. They're not even going to let this come up for discussion. You're to accept it and shut up.

I can't believe some of the justifications some of you are telling yoruself, that he made it an Executive Order instead of letting it become a bill so that the next administration can rescind this. What makes you think the next administration, Dem or GOP, will want to take up this fight when this becomes the norm in four years? Or even if not, what makes you think whoever comes next will give a shit? The real reason why they didn't make this a bill? Because then Congress will HAVE to debate this publicly. And without Trump diverting people's attention, they might actually see and hear what's going on and public opinion might scuttle the bill. Now? Ha! They just passed it by stealth. And once it's part of the system, there's not going to be any turning back.

So pardon me for not joining in the bend at the knee. What is wrong with this place? Are we now supposed to capitulate too because a Dem is in the White House? Fuck that.

I'm starting this thread so I won't ruin the other one for those who want to feel good and kumbaya. But sorry I'm not optimistic. In fact, I'm furious. I've been furious all morning. This is absolute institutional capture. People will realize what's happening? Not a chance with MSM, academia, and Big Tech social media absolutely suppressing any dissenting voice. There's too much money to be made by Big Pharm. Big Tech has too many incels and Woke bros too interest in shutting down women complaining. The ship has sailed. Unless something absolutely horrible happens, this is now here to stay. Just look at how this Executive Order was passed for chrissake. Did anyone even ask women? Was it even open to the public for debate? Wake up. They're not even going to let this come up for discussion. You're to accept it and shut up. I can't believe some of the justifications some of you are telling yoruself, that he made it an Executive Order instead of letting it become a bill so that the next administration can rescind this. What makes you think the next administration, Dem or GOP, will want to take up this fight when this becomes the norm in four years? Or even if not, what makes you think whoever comes next will give a shit? The real reason why they didn't make this a bill? Because then Congress will HAVE to debate this publicly. And without Trump diverting people's attention, they might actually see and hear what's going on and public opinion might scuttle the bill. Now? Ha! They just passed it by stealth. And once it's part of the system, there's not going to be any turning back. So pardon me for not joining in the bend at the knee. What is wrong with this place? Are we now supposed to capitulate too because a Dem is in the White House? Fuck that.

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[–] feminist 58 points (+60|-2) Edited

I didn't take the other post as "kumbaya" at all. That poster was basically just saying that people will be pissed off enough at Biden to force change. It makes complete sense to not subscribe to the optimism though. When you say things like, "What is wrong with this place?" It seems like you are discounting the nuance in those kinds of posts. I haven't seen any posts here celebrating Biden or thinking he is going to advocate for women's rights. If we had posts like that, it would be a different story.

All that said, we are free here to disagree with one another on our predictions about what might happen. And I actually really like that. I don't know of any other community that I can actually go and have political discussions with people. Reddit is so heavily controlled at this point that very single popular post has removed all comments that aren't sucking the left's dick. And then to find alternative views, you have to go to places like Saidit, where half the posts are "Jews are running the world." So Ovarit is basically the only place that we can have nuance and discussion. Not a bad thing at all.

Edit: I just saw your reply to the other comment that said something about having disagreements and I just want to be clear that I'm not talking down to you at all. I get that this is a sensitive subject, I honestly just didn't take the other post in the same way that you did.

[–] MyBodyMyself 16 points (+16|-0)

I get that take — and I understand that position... but given TRA’s overly aggressive stance — I feel the wait-and-see approach is just going to see more women and girls thrown under the bus and given how deeply TRA’s agenda is already mainstream and how they already have their overly large shoes under the table of this administration — it’s going to be a hard slog to make headway... we can’t just sit by the sidelines and wait for collective outrage to build to a critical mass. The EO was signed without debate — but we have to force debate through the courts, through petitions and through whatever agency we still have. We can’t depend on others to fight this fight for us!

But I get your saying that people are allowed to have nuanced feelings on all this and that saying, “what’s wrong with this place?” implies that the other post was “wrong” — and I can see that point — I really can! And were it not for the aggressiveness of TRA’s lobbying — I would think we could have a more “optimistic” laid-back approach and just allow bad ideas to blow up in people’s faces — but I don’t feel this is a case where even “cautious optimism” makes sense... maybe it’s because I’m mamma bear to two young daughters — but this momma bear is ready to fight actively for women’s rights... not saying the “optimistic” camp won’t fight for women’s rights — but when women’s rights have been unceremoniously gutted — I feel there is just cause to be angry and take action and not hope for the best to eventually come around...

[–] feminist 3 points (+3|-0)

I totally agree - Just because it's possible that change could happen doesn't mean we don't need to fight. I'm definitely going to be watching this administration like a hawk, especially because if history repeats itself, the left feels too safe when Dems are in office and they sit around doing nothing, sometimes passing on voting. Now is the best time to make our concerns known, and maybe if the TRA insanity gets to a critical mass it will help create that platform for us to point out what is going on - because somehow, most of the public seems totally blind to this stuff still.

I read the other post the same way and hope that it turns out to be the case.

[–] BeachLover 2 points (+2|-0)

How do we get our voices to our reps when twitter shuts us down (I think that's why my last two twitter accounts were suspended,) the media is all in for this and no one is publicly saying this hurts women except for the loons on the right, who no Dems will even listen to??

[–] feminist 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

I wish I had an answer for that. I'm definitely not feeling like everything is going to be ok, just that there is a possibility. One thing I could think of is that the people who are allowed on Twitter and have a platform, as they begin to catch on to the unfairness of the TRA movement, will start posting about it themselves (well-meaning celebrities for example). Twitter likely wouldn't ban them immediately because it would be too suspicious.

I think there's two different forks of the TRA movement: those who are deeply in the cult and would be pleased to see all female positions replaced with men in dresses, and those who are just trying to be nice and don't fully get it (like a lot of us before we peaked). I hope the latter group will start to speak up en masse.

[–] rationalmind 2 points (+10|-8) Edited

The other post is burying your head in the sand because it doesn’t want to deal with the issue. You can’t confront an issue or correct an issue if you’re ignoring an issue.

[–] feminist 10 points (+11|-1)

It feels like we read two different posts. I didn't see anything in that post that would encourage people to ignore the issue.

[–] rationalmind 0 points (+5|-5)

In my experience, that’s usually the consequence of minimizing stuff or ignoring things for someone else to handle it.

[–] BJ581 52 points (+56|-4)

It took them literal hours to betray women without so much as a discussion. “Dr.” Rachel Levine doesn’t even believe in the importance of biological sex and he will be making health decisions for the entire country. The equality act is a perversion of women’s rights and the demands we’ve made for them since the invention of feminism.

When the election was happening I commented somewhere here that a vote for Democrats or a vote for republicans was a betrayal of women. I stand by that statement. The democrats have betrayed the women that need single sex services the most; impoverished women, abused women, incarcerated women. There is nothing here to celebrate.

This can be changed, but history shows us how. The only way it will change is with numbers, not names, numbers that can be tracked and statistics of women abused and assaulted in these places that are supposed to be safe. When those numbers come, remember that each of them is a name and a woman who is a victim of trans demands and the rollback of women’s rights. As usual, until we have enough bodies (and if domestic violence has taught us anything, it’s that the number is high) no one will listen or care. If that doesn’t depress you, you’re not looking hard enough.

The left and the right have made it perfectly clear that women are not wanted in public life, and that our oppression and issues are not important or up for discussion.

[–] anyasmifya 8 points (+9|-1)

Yes, you are completely correct. Vote left and you get this gender equality crap, vote right and it’s pro-life. I know the country is fed up with both parties. I think it’s time that an actual third party starts to come into play. But which party will it be? What do we call it? Do we have enough of us to make a difference? Should we align with another grass roots party?

[–] rationalmind 0 points (+3|-3)

Personally, I would like egalitarianism. Maybe the Egalitarian Party? Party color could be purple? Or maybe something easier and temporary like the Millennium Party. Color: gold?

I’d like to support the People’s Party but I think their equality and Justice platform will erode the other good policies they want unless they intend for them to be universal and pluralistic rather than a zero sum game.

[–] anyasmifya 2 points (+2|-0)

Egalitarian party isn’t a bad choice. But I think it’s a bit too sophisticated. We don’t want to scare people away. Maybe something more relatable that you don’t need to look up the meaning to, like I just did 😂. Millennium Party has a nice ring to it! But we are 20 years past the millennium now. Ugh, hard decision. Regardless we seriously need to do something!

[–] madderthanhell 42 points (+50|-8)

So pardon me for not joining in the bend at the knee. What is wrong with this place? Are we now supposed to capitulate too because a Dem is in the White House? Fuck that.

Thanks for this. We need be free to express our justified RAGE at this Executive Order and also our disgust (dismay, if you're more polite than me) at the rationalising of sisters who continue to minimise the awfulness of this new administration due to their political party loyalties

[–] Verdandi 19 points (+19|-0)

Yeah, I actually think this a better idea than endless fighting on one post. People are allowed to have different feelings about this, nobody is more correct than the other when it comes to how we personally feel about this and where we think it's going.

[–] rationalmind 9 points (+10|-1)

We need be free to express our justified RAGE at this Executive Order and also our disgust (dismay, if you're more polite than me) at the rationalising of sisters who continue to minimise the awfulness of this new administration due to their political party loyalties

Yes. Agreed. I hate the priorities too, we’re being asked, yet again, to place ourselves second under the Woke agenda. To wait it out, again! It’s not getting better for women and girls, it’s getting worse.

[–] IronicWolf 38 points (+38|-0)

I think women in many countries feel ‘politically homeless’ and nobody seems much bothered about keeping us on board. I feel pretty down about the situation.

TRAs are very active in suggesting GC is far right. The truth is the most vocal critics in the UK are feminists whose left leaning credentials are impeccable. But I also think we need to make this a non partisan issue and work on this hard. There’s a growing tendency to make everything a culture war these days and a left versus right thing. There are people invested in making this happen (waves at Putin). We should fight back. Not wanting distressed children to be mutilated is a human rights and humanitarian issue not one of left or right. Not wanting women to be put in situations which increases their risk of sexual assault is not party political.

[–] [Deleted] 19 points (+19|-0)

Thanks for saying this. The political aspect of all of this is making it impossible for me to find a place in this movement. I have NO wish to get involved in 'politics'. This has always been a human rights issue for me.

[–] sensusquaeram 17 points (+17|-0)

There’s a growing tendency to make everything a culture war these days and a left versus right thing.

Aaaaand it's happening on this sub, today.

I'm not partisan. But I can guarantee that splitting apart here on partisan lines is not going to help us advance anything.

[–] rationalmind 6 points (+8|-2)

The partisanship is toxic and preventing our progress for women as a whole. think it’s really unhelpful when women start labeling a viewpoint as right-wing. Alternatively, we have differing knowledge, experience and perspectives. As long as some women just insist others are wrong or backwards, we’re stuck.

[–] JLT 4 points (+4|-0)

The truth is the most vocal critics in the UK are feminists whose left leaning credentials are impeccable

Same can't be said of most trans people. The level of projection is crazy.

[–] [Deleted] 30 points (+38|-8) Edited

What's wrong with this place? It's literally just people having different views. If some people want to not freak out for a minute, I can't really blame them. We're all utterly exhausted.

Which is not to say I don't agree with what you're saying, but not everyone has the stamina or emotional energy to expend upon this issue. I know I sure don't. And honestly I'm starting to think this is not even a 'fight' I want to be part of anymore. Who wants to exhaust themselves further on an uphill battle? Perhaps some of us need to have a little faith and hope in order to find the strength to keep going. I'm definitely out of it right now.

ETA: I have no political loyalities. In fact, that's part of the issue for me. For personal reasons I don't want to get into, I am not able to participate in partisan politics, which limits how much I can really be 'involved'.

[–] Verdandi 24 points (+24|-0)

I'm the exact same way. This year has been so damaging to my mental health that I have to be thankful for the small things. I agree I don't think there's much we can do about this, not on a federal level at least. Writing to Biden is nothing but an exercise in catharsis.

How many times must we learn the lesson we cannot rely on the government? Radical feminists from yesteryear understood this. We simply have to work outside our own woman-hating government. Neither side will help us.

[–] [Deleted] 7 points (+7|-0)

We simply have to work outside our own woman-hating government. Neither side will help us.

Well said.

[–] BeachLover 0 points (+0|-0)

But how do you do that?? When the govt is making laws that harm us, what does it look like to work outside the government??

[–] Lilith-Fair [OP] 6 points (+30|-24) Edited

I have no problem with people having different views. But what I'm feeling here is suddenly there's pressure for us all to drink the Koolaid and somehow think things are all good and will be good DESPITE Biden pissing on us. That's what's wrong. I come here so I don't have to cow to that kind of shit and it's starting to feel like even here I have to tiptoe and "be nice" suddenly.

So if you are too exhausted and want to join the kumbaya, how about toasting with koolaid on that other thread and at least let me and those who are furious have one little thread to vent, instead of lecturing me?

ETA: Maybe you're not lecturing, but it does read to me that way as I damn well know people have different views. That's so basic it just feels like I'm being talked down to. My point remains. Instead of voicing concerns, I'm seeing rationalizations and justifications, with implications that we should all toe the line because OMG we now have a Democrat in the WH. No. I won't toe the line when they're pushing this awful insanity.

[–] [Deleted] 21 points (+23|-2) Edited

Not intending to talk down to you, just wanted to explain why I thought some people (myself included) are probably struggling right now, and that people have different ways of dealing and processing. You have every right to be angry, so please continue to let loose.

[–] Verdandi 19 points (+24|-5)

I mean, you're acting like you're being silenced, which you aren't. You're able to make this post freely and nobody is going to take it down.

[–] Lilith-Fair [OP] 9 points (+14|-5)

Well that's just it. When I wrote the OP, I actually wanted to say fuck Biden, but I restrained myself because I was feeling maybe if I did that, the OP would be deleted and taken down. I'm not being facetious either/With all the Biden love going on right now I'm not actually sure right now if it's ok or not here to curse at Biden the way we were allowed toward Trump. You say I'm not being silenced but I honestly tell you I wasn't sure and I'm still not really sure. So if it's not, at least now I'm just risking this comment being taken down instead of the OP.

[–] Mokingbird12 5 points (+5|-0)

You don’t have to tip toe. There are plenty on here who have more than enough rage to keep things going. More people will trans peak when they understand what’s really going on. We’re real women who know how to fight when we have to. This is just a bad round. The bottom line is you know we’re right.

[–] rationalmind 3 points (+5|-2)

Agree with you and you have a right to your feelings on this issue.

I think it’s the pedestal effect mixed with inherent evolutionary biology loyalty/ tribalism trait.

The defenders of the Dems and their backwards and damaging policies place Dems on a pedestal and make excuses or minimize key issues because they are loyal to their tribe. Then mix in fear of the other based on brainwashing and ignorance of the right, and we get this type of reaction.

If someone is really a liberal, then there is nothing the right can say that would persuade them. Whatever the right says can only inform their viewpoint and overall recognition of the issue. I wish more people could drop the intentional partisan divide and conquer strategy because the Dems are seriously harming women and girls. The willful ignorance drives me mad to be honest.

[–] Womancup 1 points (+5|-4)

The Dems have one damaging policy. Most left policies are good. I don't like Biden but I'm glad we no longer have Trump

[–] cupcakes_and_shiraz 24 points (+28|-4) Edited

We were faced with bad vs worse choices when it came to presidential candidates. Trump would have continued to lead the US towards an extremely destructive path and all of the Dem candidates, regardless of who won the nomination, would have towed the party line and capitulated to woke demands. Either way, there was going to be a fight. It is what it is.

The next four years will be spent collecting receipts, writing local politicians and peaking my peers through gentle consciousness raising. Eventually, the wokearati will self-implode and show their collective asses just like Team MAGA did and the general public will turn on them. A cult can only keep the facade of sanity but for so long.

Edit: grammar

[–] MyBodyMyself 9 points (+9|-0)

I agree with you on much of this — though I’m not nearly as optimistic about the wokearati imploding (too deeply entranced and for far too long!) — but I do agree that this form of cultish extremism is similar to the MAGA stuff... will it implode? I don’t think so... we won’t have Colbert, Seth Meyers and various popular shows lampooning it all the time! So far, the only show brave enough to lampoon this stuff was South Park and unless and until there is some greater acceptance of this injustice — I don’t see the course changing easily...

I don't think the woke left will implode as quickly as MAGA did because they're backed by academics, celebrities (and the US is a celebrity culture), plus money, and there's currently an entire generation being lost by wokeism; however, I believe that eventually, the truth of gender politics (and its grave consequences) will come to the surface.

Meanwhile, we have to move in silence and strike with intent.

[–] Womancup 1 points (+1|-0)

The MAGA people never watched Colbert and he played no role in their imploding

[–] sensusquaeram 5 points (+5|-0)

Either way, there was going to be a fight. It is what it is.

There was always going to be a fight. The only question was collective timing.

I like your plan, it's very similar to my own.

Thanks. I mean, women and girls were basically caught between a rock and a hard place with this campaign. It would've been nice to have a winning moderate Dem nominee who recognized biological sex, but it wasn't going to happen. Not in this polarized political climate we're living in.

[–] [Deleted] -4 points (+14|-18) Edited

Blah blah blah we’ve heard it all before.

Continue to place other “more important issues” above your own material reality.

[–] Womancup 7 points (+9|-2)

Yes, like climate change. It impacts my material reality very seriously.

[–] cupcakes_and_shiraz 10 points (+12|-2) Edited

Trump pandering to white supremacists, creating a climate of irreparable division within our nation and completely mismanaging the COVID pandemic is part of my material reality. I'm not about to tug behind the GOP's pantlegs in hopes that they'd protect sex based rights.

Our foremothers had to fight to gain the right to vote among other things and we have to continue to fight, even though in this case it seems to be against the tide.

[–] sosorreal 21 points (+23|-2)

I think the reason I'm optimistic is because this will enable the masses to see what these policies really mean. People aren't going to change their minds on a societal level until they see/experiences the consequences themselves. So to me, this is a step forward. It's going to get worse before it gets better, but I think it has to since everyone is so brainwashed.

[–] madderthanhell 7 points (+8|-1)

With all due respect, by the same logic I can't wait until the natural environment is so seriously, perhaps irreparably, damaged that the huge corporations and billions of consumers inflicting the damage will finally see the light and change their ways...

[–] sensusquaeram 5 points (+5|-0)

Right. The Keira Bells of the world change minds on this, and that's the tragedy of it.

[–] BlackMoonLilith 4 points (+4|-0) Edited

One one hand, I'm kind of scared for the US to fall to gender ideology, because it'll be harder for the rest of the countries deep in it to reverse course (e.g. the UK, Australia, Canada) since it would become normalized. And a part of me thinks "if Hannah Mouncey playing rugby, or Posie Parker being visited by police for tweets doesn't peak people, what else could??".

On the other hand, maybe the US truly is the last domino that needs to fall before things start to reverse course. If that's the case, then I can see things happening in the same order they started (e.g. the Commonwealth reversing course after seeing gender ideology play out in the US, where things usually happen on steroids. And then the US would reverse course last, which would be post-Biden/Harris).

It's scary though. We don't know how long that'll be - it could be 8 years, or it could be 50. And we don't know how hard it'll be to push back on the ball once it starts rolling. The US was supposed to be a safe haven for people who don't feel safe in their own countries. I don't even know where that'd be now for women who want women-only spaces.

[–] lucretiamott 20 points (+20|-0) Edited

What I love about ovarit is that we can have two posts with exactly opposite titles and a reasoned discussion within each. We're not an orthodoxy which is something that's actually beautiful about this place, and we can have high level discussions and polite discourse, and everyone can learn from each other and take things from each others' arguments to make their own personal philosophies stronger. Let's not get into attacking each other here. Let's understand that everyone processes things differently. We are ALL devastated by this and we must all move together forward. We really are stronger together. I absolutely feel your pain and frustration (I am feeling pretty pessimistic myself), and you are allowed to vent completely, but I also feel the women who want to look on the bright side.

On this topic, I think the courts are where we have to look. This EO violates the first amendment right of free practice of religion to any Muslim girl who attends public school. Muslim girls cannot use the same bathroom or locker room as a boy, and that's something that the woke may see as more "valid" a reason for this EO to be canned than some white girl's plain "discomfort" (which they think they can re-educate away). I think any court, even a liberal court (but we have a conservative court, which on this issue will be to our advantage) would find that this EO is in violation of a religious girl's first amendment right.

On girls' sports - it's painfully fucking obvious to anyone with 1/4 of a brain why allowing males in girls' sports is stupid. The ACLU is on record saying if a girls' sports team was made up of entirely biological males that would be copacetic. Get that video circulating. These people are fools and the only reason they're getting away with it is because the general population has no clue that trans people are different from gay people. Once they wise up things will change.

All this is going to take some time but there is NO WAY we don't win in the end. REALITY is on our side so I don't think you have to despair too hard. This is a speed bump. Galileo being put in jail in 1633 was a speed bump. Reality wins in the end.

[–] starry 18 points (+24|-6)

So pardon me for not joining in the bend at the knee. What is wrong with this place? Are we now supposed to capitulate too because a Dem is in the White House? Fuck that.

Ah, so everyone who doesn't follow your particular brand of pessismism has capitulated/bent the knee?

[–] Verdandi 12 points (+18|-6)

Right? I was on board with disagreements at first but now I'm really over this constant wallowing in misery, woe is me, "we're all doomed" attitude.

Like, if it's truly so useless why don't we all just lay down and die already? I'll get the flavor aid ready.

[–] VeggieAnnie 17 points (+18|-1)

I think this is a personality thing. Some people are saying "we have to stay angry! It will prevent complacency. It will provide the energy to move forward." Other people are saying "we have to stay hopeful! If we don't trust that things will get better, we won't be motivated to move forward." Each call is going to speak to different people. Some people derive energy from anger, and some people derive energy from hope.

[–] MelMarieCurebee 12 points (+13|-1)

Lol this is my thing, too. Pessimism isn't healthy because it screws you over eventually. We might as well take courage and see silver linings where they exist. It helps us open doors and pursue successful strategies.

[–] Lilith-Fair [OP] 4 points (+10|-6)

So fine. Go over to the other thead and celebrate. I'm not there to spoil your party.

[–] ThisReality 16 points (+16|-0)

u/sensusquaeram's comments in this thread are worth reading, or re-reading if you've already seen them. For example:

I don't think it's weird. I predict the main action is still going to unfold through the courts, especially when the medical malpractice charges against the transing of adolescents gain momentum. There's also a "get out" clause someone mentioned in the Twitter thread for language in Title IX that may supersede the Executive Order.

ETA, here it is:

Mike Cullinan @MikeCullinan3 Replying to @WomensLibFront "Under Bostock‘s reasoning, laws that prohibit sex discrimination — including Title IX . . .prohibit discrimination on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation, so long as the laws do not contain sufficient indications to the contrary." wonder what that last part means.

Dr Viv Pointon @VPointon · 1h Replying to @MikeCullinan3 and @WomensLibFront It might be the get out clause.

[–] zephyrean 9 points (+12|-3)

You all need to live for a year or so in a third-world country.

Bostock's reasoning is sound. It means "You can't discriminate against a creep in a dress just because he's a man. If you allow a woman to wear a dress, you should also allow a man to do so. You can't discriminate against a person who fucks men just because he's a man. If you allow a woman to fuck men, you should also allow a man to do so. Doing otherwise constitutes discrimination on the basis of (biological) sex."

And now Biden comes out with "eckshually, where it says 'sex' it should read 'gender identity' instead, because I said so, blah blah Bostock Obergefell Windsor Chewbacca." It doesn't make sense - it has nothing to do with gay softball leagues or girls' soccer teams. But it doesn't need to. Creepy Joe said so, and the juggernaut will crush you.

[–] sensusquaeram 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

Let me be clear, tho, please read WoLF's analysis and hold feet to the fire. I totally don't expect legislators and judges to "do the right thing" because . . . hardly needs explanation. But there's a huge procedural component in play.

(edit - format)

[–] rationalmind 3 points (+3|-0)

Yes, the procedural hurdles prevent good cases from seeing a jury. It drags cases out for years. The courts need serious procedural overhauls because it’s leading to injustice.

[–] Mokingbird12 13 points (+13|-0) Edited

I totally agree. I’m fucking incandescent with rage. The only realistic hope in sight to save women from this almighty clusterfuck is, irony of ironies, the religious right and minority churches. These policies will have a major impact on them and you do not want to rile them up. They will leave no stone unturned to change these policies. Wow, I tell you, the TRAs have officially poked the wrong bears. These groups don’t give a fuck about being “woke” and telling it like it is. Get your popcorn ready.

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