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I know others have noticed this same general trend. It seems that most FtMs suffered some horrible abuse in their formative years. In contrast many of these disgusting Reddit MtF mods seem to have charnel houses' worth of skeletons in their closets.

Everyone knows you're watching this site, Bardfinn. Maybe you should get a fucking job and pay off your child support obligations.

I know others have noticed this same general trend. It seems that most FtMs suffered some horrible abuse in their formative years. In contrast many of these disgusting Reddit MtF mods seem to have charnel houses' worth of skeletons in their closets. Everyone knows you're watching this site, Bardfinn. Maybe you should get a fucking job and pay off your child support obligations.

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[–] TerfSedai 🌗✨♀️✨🌓 47 points (+47|-0)

Another way of thinking about this: men transition in an attempt to leave the oppressor class; women transition in an attempt to join the oppressor class.

Neither attempt works because no one seriously views the individual as part of the class s/he is seeking to join.

[–] Avadavat 34 points (+34|-0)

I think some men "transition" because they live in a delusional Pornhub/ Tumblr/ Reddit cyber bubble, believing that 1) Woman = nubile young human female ONLY (most other women...more mature, older women) are irrelevant, an annoyance, or an impediment to their fulilling their sexual fantasies; 2) women's lives are easier and that women are able to manipulate men into doing what they want; 3) Man = responsible, accountable, and downtrodden by the female sex, and they're sick of it; and 4) if they transition, they'll have more access to sex.

I think some women "transition" because they live in a delusional Pornhub/ Tumblr/ Reddit cyber bubble, believing that 1) Woman = object to be sexually objectified, humiliated, and assaulted by men...to be choked. spat upon, raped, etc; 2) women's lives are only about maintaining their sexual allure for men (even outside porn, ubiquitous, relentless advertising tells girls and women that their skin is too hairy, too wrinkly, too "crepy"; their bodies are too fat or too muscular; etc.); and, 3) Man = responsible, revered, the creator of civilization (despite men's depraved behavior these women encounter in porn).

[–] notyourfetish 15 points (+15|-0)

That's what kills me the most about TIMs. They think that if they "become lesbians" it will just be a 24/7 orgy with a bunch of hot girls. It shows they are living in their Pornhub fantasy and are mired in delusions of actually becoming women.

Because 1) they can never be women or anything other than pornsick straight dudes in dresses who no lesbian will ever want and 2) lesbian dating is NOT easy and lesbian women are not rolling in V unless they're athletes or super stars or something.

Being a lesbian is fucking lonely. Every time a woman likes me, I don't like her back, and vice versa. We're a tiny population, so finding someone you click with can be difficult, especially if you live in an area with a small lesbian community. I fully expect to die alone at this point. Yet men think we just go around having constant orgies and sex parties . . . Maybe in New York or San Francisco.

This is what porn does to men's brains.

[–] Riothamus [OP] xy 14 points (+15|-1)

That is a good way to think about it but I think the phrasing risks accidentally ennobling TIMs and demonizing TIFs because it leaves out their respective motives for transitioning.

[–] TerfSedai 🌗✨♀️✨🌓 9 points (+9|-0)

I disagree: I believe their motives are clear from how I phrased it.

  1. I don't want to be oppressed, so I will declare myself a man since they always seem to have power.
  2. I don't want to be accused of oppressing others, so I'll call myself a woman since they have no real power over others.

There's nothing noble about that. I also think it's important to capture the power dynamics evident within each scenario.

[–] Riothamus [OP] xy 12 points (+12|-0) Edited

Right. The issue I have with it is that a lot of folks just won't connect those dots due to their lack of familiarity with the subject matter.

Perhaps "women transition in an attempt to leave the oppressed class; men transition in an attempt to join the oppressed class" conveys the same sentiment while removing possible negative interpretations. What do you think?

[–] mathlover 27 points (+27|-0) Edited

Nah. Nearly all men who trans are autogynephilic heterosexual men who get sexual gratification from seeing themselves, and forcing everyone else to see them, as women. These are not sensitive men trying not to be oppressors. It is an opportunity for them to be even more mysogynist and to oppress women even more viciously and thoroughly. It's just creepy, rapey men acting out their fantasies.

The small minority of gay men who "trans", many of whom may also be autogynephilic, just want to escape homophobia and whatever disapproval for being incipiently gay that they experienced growing up.

[–] TerfSedai 🌗✨♀️✨🌓 17 points (+17|-0)

These are not sensitive men trying not to be oppressors.

I agree with you -- they're not trying to not be oppressors out of some goodwill or sensitivity to women. They are trying not to be SEEN as oppressors, because if others see them as harmless or powerless (like women), it enables them to commit some truly heinous, atrocious behavior with little consequence.

It's all about the optics of the situation: the illusion of looking weak and put-upon and the fantasy of having no power that gets them off.

[–] silky 5 points (+5|-0)

I think it’s also possible that they really do see themselves as “sensitive men”, in the same way “nice guys” see themselves as, well, “nice” guys. They’re not, of course, but they have to create that illusion for their worldview to make any sense.

[–] calming-tea 0 points (+0|-0)

I think beside the two scenarios you suggested, which are the most common ones (the latter used to be more common in the past, I would guess), I think there are some that are what OP said, but they are a minority of a minority.

[–] Killer_Danish 18 points (+18|-0) Edited

Men are the rats at the feeder bar pushing a button for food pellets, damaging their dopamine reward system in the process with ever-increasing levels of hardcore pornography.

How can men be responsible towards women when:

-they won't admit porn is addictive?

-they won't admit it harms women inside/outside of porn?

-they won't admit that the women on the other side of the screen are real and suffer physical/emotional consequences from the extreme sexual acts they portray?

-they won't admit that the violent, degrading acts they learn from porn make them terrible lovers to women?

-they won't admit that the rise in erectile dysfunction among young men is correlated to pornography use?

-they won't admit that porn poisons their relationships with women?

I doubt men as a group will ever admit any fault since apologizing is still very much in the female domain... Our years living side-by-side with men who repeatedly view our dehumanization as a hobby will no doubt cause many years of bad blood—though expect all the newspapers and scholars to find a way to blame it all on women!

[–] notyourfetish 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

-they won't admit that the women on the other side of the screen are real and suffer physical/emotional consequences from the extreme sexual acts they portray?

This kills me the most. The fact that they've decided the women in porn aren't "real" and so it's okay to jack off to them, even when they have a girlfriend/wife/whatever.

Imagine if a guy came home and caught his wife masturbating to a naked dude who is lying out on the bed for her. What the fuck is the difference? There is none.

The guy would flip out if he caught his wife doing that, but it's somehow okay for him to look at porn and it isn't cheating????

This on top of the fact that the "fake" woman in the video is being harmed psychologically by being dehumanized on a regular basis, and the empathy-lacking male doesn't care at all he's a getting off to it.

[–] XX_Power surf and terf 11 points (+11|-0)

The truscum movement on reddit seems to be dominated by TIFs and they claim us evil TERFs always get it wrong, that they transition due to trauma, no they genuinely have dysphoria.

I think TIFs come in at least two major variants, much like TIMs.

The dysphoric ones are often the ones who suffered abuse or are homosexual, or both - in my experience.

The straight TIFs are often pornsick similarly to male AGPs and fetishize gay men, and the equality in gay relationships. There's also a subgroup who is straight but very gender nonconforming, that's sadly what i may have become if that stuff was around when i was a teenager. Looking back i was definitely "dysphoric" mainly due to everything to do with babies and childbirth. I think most women on trusum fall in that second category, even if they'd hate hearing it. They're also mostly very young. Now that I'm older i would never fall for this nonsense, but at 10-25 and if i didn't have good biology education... Scary to think.

[–] tomboyeurope 7 points (+7|-0)

"The truscum movement on reddit seems to be dominated by TIFs and they claim us evil TERFs always get it wrong, that they transition due to trauma, no they genuinely have dysphoria."

I think these TIFs don't understand that their dysphoria is caused by trauma.

[–] Sistersovermistsers 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

As someone who has desisted after realizing she was running away from trauma, and whose first male intimate 'partner' was extremely abusive and found to have transitioned years later for 'cute tits and making dress go spinny hehe', I completely agree.

Men, if you didn't try to cover your tracks so hard with being so MRA-leaning while being 'trans', maybe I'd care less. But that's not the case, lol.

[–] femmefem 2 points (+2|-0)

It's true. I would have been much better if someone sat me down and told me that I couldn't identify my way out of the male gaze.