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TLDR: Those who are agnostic / spiritual or believe in "souls" are a lot more likely to accept gender ideology, because it is essentially the same thing.

I have a very dear friend who has been caught up in the hatred of "terfs" and believes the whole "trans women are the most vulnerable."

She is a very empathetic person, and very smart. However I have no doubt that she is more vulnerable to gender ideology due to her past history of abuse, and her own mental health struggles.

I also suspect that, because she is agnostic and believes in the idea of a soul, that the leap to gender ideology and the belief of "a feeling inside" and "gender", (aka both made up things), is not difficult for her to blindly accept.

On the other hand, my religious friend (church of England) was a lot easier to "peak", because what she is taught I'd that God made you as you, and you cannot change it.

Has anyone else had this experience or come to this conclusion? Would love a discussion to flesh this theory out.

TLDR: Those who are agnostic / spiritual or believe in "souls" are a lot more likely to accept gender ideology, because it is essentially the same thing. I have a very dear friend who has been caught up in the hatred of "terfs" and believes the whole "trans women are the most vulnerable." She is a very empathetic person, and very smart. However I have no doubt that she is more vulnerable to gender ideology due to her past history of abuse, and her own mental health struggles. I also suspect that, because she is agnostic and believes in the idea of a soul, that the leap to gender ideology and the belief of "a feeling inside" and "gender", (aka both made up things), is not difficult for her to blindly accept. On the other hand, my religious friend (church of England) was a lot easier to "peak", because what she is taught I'd that God made you as you, and you cannot change it. Has anyone else had this experience or come to this conclusion? Would love a discussion to flesh this theory out.

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[–] BlackCirce 19 points (+19|-0)

The reason why trans has spread so effectively is because it covers both bases. The divide is between thinking sex stereotypical behavior is learned or innate. Those who believe sex stereotypical behavior is innate are more likely to believe in genderism, regardless of spirituality.

For people who are prone to believing in dualism there is the idea of “gender identity” which is essentially a soul or private mental state that dictates behavior and makes one truly the opposite sex.

But science minded people don’t have to buy that if they don’t want to. Many, if not most, atheists already believe in sexed brains. From there it’s just a short step to believing in utero cross sex hormonal exposures cause some male fetuses to have female brains and vice versa.

The people most resistant to the ideology are people who are social constructionists who believe sex stereotypical behavior is learned. That group includes most radical feminists and many social conservatives. That’s what causes the strange bedfellows affect.

[–] notyourfetish 5 points (+5|-0)

The reason why trans has spread so effectively is because it covers both bases. The divide is between thinking sex stereotypical behavior is learned or innate. Those who believe sex stereotypical behavior is innate are more likely to believe in genderism, regardless of spirituality.

This.

I'm a Buddhist, and before that, I was just very "spiritual," I believe in souls and reincarnation (due to personal experience), and yet, it didn't take much to peak me.

I peaked back when this all began years ago. At first I was indifferent because I thought the TIMs were just gay dudes who wanted to dress up and not have their feelings hurt. So I was like whatever, sure, you're a "woman." And sadly, I think most people who still support them think this is the case and that "TERFs" are just homophobic conservatives.

But then "Caitlyn" Jenner happened, and I started to pay attention to what was actually going on, and that's when I went full radfem.

I believe in souls, but I also believe that masculine and feminine are little more than personality traits related as "male and female" for the purpose of exalting men and oppressing women. I don't believe in "gendered brains" or "gendered souls" or other nonsense.

There are even some spiritual people who don't believe individual souls exist and that we are all, in fact, fragments of one oversoul (aka "god") that came into the physical plane to experience this life . . . So many people believe in so many things regarding souls. It does truth seekers a disservice to whittle us down to "spiritual idiots prone to gender woo."

You don't have to be sexist to be spiritual or to believe that there is more to life than the material world we see. It just so happens that a lot of sexism is bound up in religion and spirituality because men, as ever, ruin everything by using it as a tool to control women and get sex.

Example? Sadhguru had female sex slaves in his cult and may have murdered his wife to silence her. Yet people still follow him, he's huge on Youtube, and he gets away with what he's done because he's seen as a great spiritual leader . . . ./eyeroll

Men will take the purest concepts and twist them so they can rape and murder without restraint.

[–] BlackCirce 1 points (+1|-0)

I believe in souls, but I also believe that masculine and feminine are little more than personality traits related as "male and female" for the purpose of exalting men and oppressing women. I don't believe in "gendered brains" or "gendered souls" or other nonsense.

This is exactly what I’ve noticed. The souls v no souls (dont Anglicans believe in souls?) I don’t think works very well, at least on my side of the Atlantic. It doesn’t explain why most evangelicals are not down with genderism. Those people believe in souls and they will damn your soul to hell if you support gay marriage and abortion. They don’t care if Bobby has a “girl soul,” if he plays with dolls or tries to wear a dress, they’ll punish him.

My corner of radical feminism has a hard divide between vaguely spiritual and conspiracy theory prone women and eye rolling skeptics and none of us believe in genderism at all.

[–] CacaoGudem 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

I never heard that about Sadhguru! I always thought he was pretentious and I never understood why a lot of people like him. Even some people in my family can explain dharmic concepts better than him. Unfortunately, there are so many dirty secrets in every religious community.

edit: Is there anywhere I can read more about the sex scandal? I've searched multiple times but only his views on women come up