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(And by men I mean non-AGP men.)

I know men also murder them because they hate femininity, but why are most woke bros (and also regular bros) so hell bent on hating on "TERFs"? I had two male acquaintances talk passionately about TERFs; couldn't make out any reasonable argument, but I still wonder what they gain from this. My only hypothesis is so that they can reap the sexual benefits of homosexual sex while being perceived as straight, and because TIM prostitutes are way cheaper.

(And by men I mean non-AGP men.) I know men also murder them because they hate femininity, but why are most woke bros (and also regular bros) so hell bent on hating on "TERFs"? I had two male acquaintances talk passionately about TERFs; couldn't make out any reasonable argument, but I still wonder what they gain from this. My only hypothesis is so that they can reap the sexual benefits of homosexual sex while being perceived as straight, and because TIM prostitutes are way cheaper.

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[–] VeggieAnnie 48 points (+48|-0)

I've been thinking a lot about men's interest in policing the category "Man." There is a lot of talk about the category "Woman," but I think what's really going on with a lot of men is the desire to enforce the traditional boundaries of the category "Man." (I hope people understand the way I am using the words in quotes. Categories are related to material reality, but also humans/societies want to shore up the boundaries of certain things.) The reason I started thinking about this is because the places with the most machismo (rigid definitions of manliness) have big trans populations, especially homosexual transsexuals. Then I was thinking about how Iran will transition a man, but not let me him be homosexual. Also, Thai 'ladyboys.' etc.

So I started thinking that men are really committed to this idea that "Man" is a well-defined category, and everyone else (male and female) can be shoved in the other intellectual column, labeled "Woman." So, gay men traditionally get shoved in the "Woman" column; cross-dressers; sensitive guys, whatever. Men want to keep their category rigidly policed.

Therefore, to them it makes sense to say "transwomen are women" because they are happy to let a GNC male LEAVE their category (Man) and go over to the other group. And they're angry if anyone argues and insists that these unmanly men stay in their own lane.

Does that make sense?

[–] bellatrixbells 15 points (+15|-0)

It does make sense, and historically that's what's been going on : men who weren't deserving of the all holy "man" status were downgraded to the inferior status of "woman". However, the contrary was not possible : a woman who fit into more stereotypical "man" behavior gets retrograded to something even lesser, cause she needs to be punished as a non complying woman, and she can never deserve to be a man becahse she lacks the almighty organ.

So the parallel is very valid, but it would depend on how the woke bros you speak of view trans men. I agree there are a lot more concessions demanded of women in any way, but if they stick by TMAM, there's probably a different explanation.

[–] LOriginedumonde 12 points (+12|-0)

I moved to a different state a few years ago but all of my estranged woke bro friends who now scream TWAW used to make fun of my TIF roommate behind her back and would say that she will never be a man. Almost all, if not all men’s sense of self revolves around what’s between their legs so you can’t tell me that they’ll ever view a female “man” without the penis as a real man. If they did then they’d actually be threatened by TIFs which they’re not.

[–] levitation 8 points (+8|-0)

I was in an anthro class many moons ago and the professor said, in cultures with "third gender categories," that it was very easy for men to leave the "man" category but incredibly difficult for women to leave the "woman" category. This was because women were considered lesser, so men could leave the "superior" category by lowering themselves to do traditionally feminine things, but women were already considered inferior and couldn't rise "above their station" by doing masculine things. That or they'd be brutalized for trying.