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(And by men I mean non-AGP men.)

I know men also murder them because they hate femininity, but why are most woke bros (and also regular bros) so hell bent on hating on "TERFs"? I had two male acquaintances talk passionately about TERFs; couldn't make out any reasonable argument, but I still wonder what they gain from this. My only hypothesis is so that they can reap the sexual benefits of homosexual sex while being perceived as straight, and because TIM prostitutes are way cheaper.

(And by men I mean non-AGP men.) I know men also murder them because they hate femininity, but why are most woke bros (and also regular bros) so hell bent on hating on "TERFs"? I had two male acquaintances talk passionately about TERFs; couldn't make out any reasonable argument, but I still wonder what they gain from this. My only hypothesis is so that they can reap the sexual benefits of homosexual sex while being perceived as straight, and because TIM prostitutes are way cheaper.

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[–] bellatrixbells 9 points (+9|-0)

I think some of them genuinely hate women and take this as an opportunity to be violent and insulting.

But I also think a lot of men also see us as inferior or less intelligent and autonomous pretty much unconsciously. They're also often attached to male privilege without necessarily realizing it and feel a lot of frustration when they can't just speak on top of us and explain things to us, therefore this new form of "feminism" they adhere to is perfect for them : they can say they are for the rights of women, because in many ways they are, while also dispensing from listening to us and regaining their power to tell us to sit down while they mansplain life to us.

They also tend to think of us as part of whichever ethnic/cultural group they are part of and are impressively unaware of how much we are often viewed not as members of that group but as possessions of said group, which is the men. In their woke mind, they speak to us as "cis" and "white" (or Black, or Native, etc) as if we were on the same level. Pseudo feminism that claims men know as much about womanhood than women, and puts everything on top of sex, allows them for a way to consider us as fellow oppressors and therefore impose their point of view on us (and the irony is completely lost on them).

This is gonna be another of my unpopular opinions, but I think this is due to a failure we had both as feminists and as a society : we attempted to teach equity to children, but we forgot, or didn't know how to counter, the massive influence of history and media, and that played against us

On the one hand, we teach our kids that boys and girls are equals and that we live in an equal society, but on the other hand they see thousands of years of history where men are in command and most of all a media and consumer culture which teaches boys that they are in command while girls are their NPCs, basically. Even men who don't consciously want this will identity with the men on the screens, and in the books, etc, and eventually internalize that they are on top of us. It must be distressing to let go of that, especially if it's unclear what it ahould be replaced for.

[–] LesbianHelvetia 4 points (+4|-0)

I think this is a really good analysis and I also guess that by standing against TERF, they expect libfem to see them as "nice guy" and therefore think they deserve sexual favour from them .

[–] bellatrixbells 2 points (+2|-0)

In some cases it might be that. But I simply don't believe all men do everything they do in the hopes of getting sexual favors from women.