[–] Lilith 53 points (+53|-0) Edited

Is this where we are, now?

This ability for men to use hate crime laws to further harass women is proof that hate crime law is inherently flawed. Legal institutions can only benefit those who already have power.

Careful about voting this comment up if you are in a country with these laws. You might get caught committing terf crimes.

I am against so-called "hate crime " laws for many reasons, but still there should have to be a crime here. "Liking" a comment on facebook is hardly a crime. If the comment was "offensive" to FB, then FB can take it down. They put so many people in Facebook jail (why does anyone still use FB???) but a crime?

I KNOW even here in the USA a large % of college students are saying we shouldn't have the First Amendment because freedom of speech is WRONG. How scary is that? I will NOT live in a Trans Dictatorship, but sadly a lot of young people clearly would fight me so that they could. WTF.

[–] ComplicatedSpirit 46 points (+46|-0)

It doesn’t happen often, hardly ever in fact, but there are times when I’m grateful to be American. As utterly fucked as our country is, we’ve never sacrificed our right to free speech on the altar of tender feelings. Jesus, she just “liked” some comments and posts. Bridget Clutchmypearls or whatever the fuck your name is, fuck you, you self-righteous, narcissistic, bored-to-death, infantile twat.

[–] [Deleted] 7 points (+7|-0)

The First Amendment is precious. I thank our founders and all of the generations of judges and justices who upheld our freedom of speech in caselaw.

[–] Nona_Biba 1 points (+1|-0)

I know right? God bless America! I used to roll my eyes at conservatives who would say purposefully inflammatory shit and then go "Freeze peach!" and now look. MY communities are the ones getting banned from social media. -_-

[–] sensusquaeram 1 points (+1|-0)

Yeah. Captain Delusional leveraging his military service as a TRA billboard -- it's called "service" for a reason, gitwit. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[–] [Deleted] 34 points (+34|-0)

Punishing wrongspeak has already become normal. Punishing indicating in any way that you have wrongthink is next.

Christ, this reminds me of when my brother would get up in my face and call me horrible names, and watch carefully to see if I reacted with so much as a blink or a micro-expression so he would have an "excuse" to slap me.

[–] HekArtemis [OP] 31 points (+31|-0)

Be careful what you say about this case, might get you sued.

I am so angry and upset right now.

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[–] jelliknight 26 points (+26|-0) Edited

I just uploaded the same link.

Please Aussies: Call or email your complaint about the misogyny of this to the ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal. Call and email your state and federal representatives.

Everyone else, please share on twitter, facebook, etc. Let's make #HESAMAN go viral

Women have a right to political speech. Men don't have the right to never have their feelings hurt.

[–] june_atwood 15 points (+15|-0)

Will be doing that. I think we need to make a complaint against Bridget on basis of vilification laws against protected category of sex.

[–] TiredWoman 23 points (+23|-0)

Every time I think we've hit the peak of trans fascism, they manage to reach new heights. What is this world we're living in? Good god.

[–] [Deleted] 18 points (+18|-0)

I didn’t realize until quite recently how much Australia DGAF about free speech.

[–] june_atwood 1 points (+1|-0)

It is horrifying, we radfems down here have been trying desperately to get some traction. Radio silence. No one gives a f**k, except Senator Claire Chandler, and now she is being hauled in front of the Tasmanian Equality Commission for writing an op-ed on the integrity of girl's sports. Things are very bad here. I'm meeting with a State Senator next week who is concerned about sports - he is older and conservative but he's actually reached out to me in relation to some stuff I wrote on sports, and he wants to do something. But sex-self id is already in federal legislation here. It might be too little too late.


[–] MadSea 15 points (+15|-0)

Does she get a chance to appeal or anything? Sorry, I don’t know Australian legal system at all.

[–] june_atwood 14 points (+14|-0)

Yes. This is Tribunal (not Court) so quasi-judicial. She would have to appeal to appellate Tribunal, or decision to be varied or set aside. I’m in a different State to Beth (NSW and this was in ACT) but I suspect procedure would be similar.

[–] jelliknight 12 points (+12|-0)

I hope she could take the tribunal itself to court for a violation of HER human rights. No idea if that's possible.

[–] MadSea 3 points (+3|-0)

I hope she does then. I’d be happy to chip in for her legal fees. I can’t imagine how enraging dealing with this must be for her.

That poster that shows him in drag and says "A Future for All of Us" is pure horror. Talk about dystopia.

So Australia doesn't have free speech? Because simply stating a man is a man is NOT a death threat or something. And if he is a public figure, people can have at him. Look at what people do to politicians! They make effigies of them and burn them -- that is REALLY a violent threat isn't it? And it's legal (in the USA anyway). But saying "that man is a man" -- what, was he going to threaten suicide if someone stated reality?

Forcing a woman to LIE is BS. Fining her an outrageous sum for agreeing with reality is criminal. How can we stop all this insanity NOW, like right this minute? I can't take any more.

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[–] bio-woman 6 points (+6|-0)

Australia does not have free speech in the same way that the US does, no. There are some laws around Freedom of Expression but there are many other laws that interfere with these (in this case it would be Anti-Discrimination laws). It is a shame that in these sort of cases where people have their feelings hurt by seeing something they don't like on social media, it is not sufficient for them to take action with the owner of the platform, be it Facebook or Twitter. A reasonable person would think that was the appropriate response. It is not an appropriate response for the government to intervene and fine and silence someone for their social media postings. The Equal Opportunity Commissions here are very heavy handed with women, and very unsympathetic when listening to women's concerns. The UK is of course similar to us, with their police interventions for social media postings.

That's hearbreaking knowing Australia and UK are so restricted with speech, esp. when it harms women. USA has the First Amendment precisely because nobody was going to tell an Englishman what he could or couldn't say! Colonies tend to preserve older traditions. Sad that Mother England, and then the Commonwealth (I guess Australia is still Commonwealth?) countries moved into WokeWorld. USA has too, but Free Speech is a "fight to the death" issue for most Americans. Not so much for our immigrants or young people though, and that scares me.

[–] june_atwood 2 points (+2|-0)

Australia is deeply misogynist, really atrocious. You should see the way some of our male politicians act in the legislative chamber because they have parliamentary privilege - Abbott, Hazard, Leyjohnhelm - all of them have been grossly, graphically and explicitly sexist.

[–] june_atwood 1 points (+1|-0)

We don't have explicitly protected free speech, we have an implied Constitutional freedom of political communication. We also do not have explicit sex based protections, we did in the Sex Discrimination Act, but that has been eroded over the decades where men now use the legislation because "sex" is not explicitly female, therefore either male or female can rely on protections. Then "gender identity" crept into the legislation in 2013 and fucked everything. We even have CEDAW embedded in the legislation, but the judiciary ignore it. The only way we will be able to protect women here is if we are able to run a case to the High Court, similar to the strategies women are employing the UK. I want a judicial review of some of the crap going on down here, but we need money to fund it, and we need lawyers on side. At the moment, I'm only a law graduate, but I'm prepared to stick my neck out, but I don't have experience.

[–] InvisibleWoman 14 points (+14|-0)

I am ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS about this! What kind of BULLSHIT is this?! Pay HIM $10 000 for LIKING comments?! Holy fuck what's next then, just reading this article and agreeing with it and suddenly KNOCK KNOCK IT'S THE THOUGHT POLICE.

[–] EvenMoreMinty 6 points (+6|-0)

Honest question, but didn't Britain literally have that happen? Do think that it is, sadly, the next logical step here.

[–] InvisibleWoman 3 points (+3|-0)

Damn you're right, there was a woman questioned by the police because she was thought to have transphobic beliefs. Insane

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