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The problem: radicalizing right-wing government + only recently visible but rapidly radicalizing trans community + very woke leftist opposition who would do anything to remove the current leadership + no transcritical voices = CATASTROPHE

I don't know much about politics yet but this is my experience: Wokeism appeared among my country's oppisition BEFORE hungarian trans people started to become really visible. That's why leftist people only hear about the romantic success stories or how oppressed transgenders are, but don't see how radical and insane they are becoming, both abroad and here. If there are any negative news about trans people or the LGBTQ movement from western countries, they are only covered by the worst mediums or tabloids funded by the conservative government so of course people don't believe it. And even if they do, they somehow justify it. It's like at this point they would be willing to defend anything just to oppose the government. Sometimes I feel like my country's more woke than western countries when it comes to transgenderism, because even though the trans community is getting more visible, it is not followed by the appearance of gc/radfem voices (Not that feminism is flourishing here, anyway) All the popular feminist pages I found on FB are libfems, there are only a few "queer" groups and all of them are of course inclusive. It's quite surreal, because my country's healthcare, education system, infrastructure, economy, environmental protection, etc. is in a horrible state, so it would be logical that people don't have time to worry about fake gender identities. I bet 95% of Hungarians don't even know that non-binary gender identity is a thing. However, what I see is that the lgbtq and especially the trans community is radicalizing at the same rate as in the west, which is quite ridiculous given how different our countries are and only proves that yes, gender ideology is in fact being imported, spread by the Internet. Only 1-2 years ago it was just the good old LGBT here, only homo/bi folks and the occasional transsexual, no people identifying as enbies/asexuals/pansexuals etc. But now lgbtq groups are full of them and their ridiculous posts and I see extremely few LGB people or even transmeds who question their bullshit. I know that's the case in the west too but this is East-central Europe for fuck's sake...

Another reason why the trans movement is getting stronger here is because in 2019 legal gender recognition for trans people was banned but as expected, it only caused more visibility and support. (It didn't happen without warning though, from 2017-2018 there was a problem with the process and only a very few people were able to change their gender during this period.) Total ban is not a solution at all because medical transition is still working perfectly, there are a couple of therapists who give the papers required to start HRT/have surgery even after just 1 session. Instead of banning legal transition and letting theoretically illegal HRT/surgeries take place, proper mental health services should be provided with therapists who are experts at the treatment of gender dysphoria. Also, the spread of gender critical feminism and elimination of sexism - which ultimately leads to a lot of kids developing dysphoria - should be the most important as they are the best way of prevention.

I already had this sad realization that I'm very alone with my views here (either far-right or far-left voices, looks like there's no middle ground) but the thing that really upset me 2 days ago is this: the government announced a referendum made of 5 questions, 3 of them dealing with whether the promotion (or even depiction?) of transgenderism in front of children and the gender change of minors should be illegal. I understand that people say this referendum is just a means to shift attention from the government's recent wrongdoings and keep some voters while they do shit about real issues, but the opposition's reaction to the referendum disgusted me. They either 1. evaded the topic of transgenderism affecting kids and started stating the numerous other issues regarding the well-being of children that should be addressed first 2. Defended the transing of kids 3. Made distasteful jokes. Political parties, meme groups, comments everywhere were making jokes and being sarcastic like "yeah sure our biggest problem right now is sex change surgery becoming more popular in kindergarten children hahaha". Obviously, that's not happening here. But young children being transed and given puberty blockers and surgeries is already widespread not too far from our country. And even if medical transition only starts as an adult, being groomed into the trans cult can already start at a young age. Even here. It's happening right before my eyes. And yet, leftists are laughing their ass of "lol our government is so retarded no sex change surgeries are performed on kids, not even in western countries" Oh buddy... If you only saw what I've seen. If only you knew that while you're joking about the mutilation of children, it's already happening and there are more and more detransitioners coming forward. If I remember well, there were already multiple posts here on Ovarit about radfems being politically homeless. Now the same happened to me. On one hand, the far-right gov and many of their supporters are made up of awfully corrupt, misogynystic, homophobic religious fanatics who are destroying my home but then there is the super woke left who makes fun of something that is ruining kid's lives, and also ruined my life, since my problems with my body began as soon as I hit puberty and I started identifying as trans when I was a teenager. How could I stomach voting for political parties like this? For example, MKKP is a joke party but quite popular, and they were sharing memes like "are you also afraid of your child becoming a transformers?" "are you also afraid of your child changing their species?" (guess they still haven't heard about otherkins...) There's nothing remotely funny about this. They are a registered political party who joke about the mutilation of children. Let that sink in. For them it is a joke but for many people this is reality. And I'm very tired of people arguing "seeing a queer person won't make your kid queer". That might be the case with sexual orientation, but gender identity is a whole different case. The rapidly increasing number of trans and non-binary kids is proof enough. I can't believe there's still anybody in their right mind who doesn't recognise this really is a trend. Even worse, it's a religion and it's followers can't be reasoned with. That's why I'm hopeless.

The problem: radicalizing right-wing government + only recently visible but rapidly radicalizing trans community + very woke leftist opposition who would do anything to remove the current leadership + no transcritical voices = CATASTROPHE I don't know much about politics yet but this is my experience: Wokeism appeared among my country's oppisition BEFORE hungarian trans people started to become really visible. That's why leftist people only hear about the romantic success stories or how oppressed transgenders are, but don't see how radical and insane they are becoming, both abroad and here. If there are any negative news about trans people or the LGBTQ movement from western countries, they are only covered by the worst mediums or tabloids funded by the conservative government so of course people don't believe it. And even if they do, they somehow justify it. It's like at this point they would be willing to defend anything just to oppose the government. Sometimes I feel like my country's more woke than western countries when it comes to transgenderism, because even though the trans community is getting more visible, it is not followed by the appearance of gc/radfem voices (Not that feminism is flourishing here, anyway) All the popular feminist pages I found on FB are libfems, there are only a few "queer" groups and all of them are of course inclusive. It's quite surreal, because my country's healthcare, education system, infrastructure, economy, environmental protection, etc. is in a horrible state, so it would be logical that people don't have time to worry about fake gender identities. I bet 95% of Hungarians don't even know that non-binary gender identity is a thing. However, what I see is that the lgbtq and especially the trans community is radicalizing at the same rate as in the west, which is quite ridiculous given how different our countries are and only proves that yes, gender ideology is in fact being imported, spread by the Internet. Only 1-2 years ago it was just the good old LGBT here, only homo/bi folks and the occasional transsexual, no people identifying as enbies/asexuals/pansexuals etc. But now lgbtq groups are full of them and their ridiculous posts and I see extremely few LGB people or even transmeds who question their bullshit. I know that's the case in the west too but this is East-central Europe for fuck's sake... Another reason why the trans movement is getting stronger here is because in 2019 legal gender recognition for trans people was banned but as expected, it only caused more visibility and support. (It didn't happen without warning though, from 2017-2018 there was a problem with the process and only a very few people were able to change their gender during this period.) Total ban is not a solution at all because medical transition is still working perfectly, there are a couple of therapists who give the papers required to start HRT/have surgery even after just 1 session. Instead of banning legal transition and letting theoretically illegal HRT/surgeries take place, proper mental health services should be provided with therapists who are experts at the treatment of gender dysphoria. Also, the spread of gender critical feminism and elimination of sexism - which ultimately leads to a lot of kids developing dysphoria - should be the most important as they are the best way of prevention. I already had this sad realization that I'm very alone with my views here (either far-right or far-left voices, looks like there's no middle ground) but the thing that really upset me 2 days ago is this: the government announced a referendum made of 5 questions, 3 of them dealing with whether the promotion (or even depiction?) of transgenderism in front of children and the gender change of minors should be illegal. I understand that people say this referendum is just a means to shift attention from the government's recent wrongdoings and keep some voters while they do shit about real issues, but the opposition's reaction to the referendum disgusted me. They either 1. evaded the topic of transgenderism affecting kids and started stating the numerous other issues regarding the well-being of children that should be addressed first 2. Defended the transing of kids 3. Made distasteful jokes. Political parties, meme groups, comments everywhere were making jokes and being sarcastic like "yeah sure our biggest problem right now is sex change surgery becoming more popular in kindergarten children hahaha". Obviously, that's not happening here. But young children being transed and given puberty blockers and surgeries is already widespread not too far from our country. And even if medical transition only starts as an adult, being groomed into the trans cult can already start at a young age. Even here. It's happening right before my eyes. And yet, leftists are laughing their ass of "lol our government is so retarded no sex change surgeries are performed on kids, not even in western countries" Oh buddy... If you only saw what I've seen. If only you knew that while you're joking about the mutilation of children, it's already happening and there are more and more detransitioners coming forward. If I remember well, there were already multiple posts here on Ovarit about radfems being politically homeless. Now the same happened to me. On one hand, the far-right gov and many of their supporters are made up of awfully corrupt, misogynystic, homophobic religious fanatics who are destroying my home but then there is the super woke left who makes fun of something that is ruining kid's lives, and also ruined my life, since my problems with my body began as soon as I hit puberty and I started identifying as trans when I was a teenager. How could I stomach voting for political parties like this? For example, MKKP is a joke party but quite popular, and they were sharing memes like "are you also afraid of your child becoming a transformers?" "are you also afraid of your child changing their species?" (guess they still haven't heard about otherkins...) There's nothing remotely funny about this. They are a registered political party who joke about the mutilation of children. Let that sink in. For them it is a joke but for many people this is reality. And I'm very tired of people arguing "seeing a queer person won't make your kid queer". That might be the case with sexual orientation, but gender identity is a whole different case. The rapidly increasing number of trans and non-binary kids is proof enough. I can't believe there's still anybody in their right mind who doesn't recognise this really is a trend. Even worse, it's a religion and it's followers can't be reasoned with. That's why I'm hopeless.

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[–] sashimi33 6 points (+6|-0)

Promote the Olympics among your acquaintances if possible. It's a neutral topic that will allow them to see how crazy it has become.

[–] Zhye_GC 2 points (+2|-0)

To the general Hungarian populace who is aware of "transgenderism", what it actually generally translates to is transmedicalism (mismatched brain sex, post-op, "passing").

So yes, when they become aware that a fully non-op masc man with no gender dysphoria diagnosis can waltz into an office in Ireland and be "legally and therefore socially considered a woman, otherwise you are committing a hate crime and will be put in jail" tends to be met with disbelief, but if you grab the papers on the Scottish / Norwegian hate crime laws then they just become peaked.