[–] spottedhyena 76 points (+76|-0)

your chains are pretty, let me teach you the correct way to wear them

[–] sensusquaeram 29 points (+29|-0)

And remember not to get blood on your armor when you're off laboring defending the castle on my behalf.

[–] Researcher1536 6 points (+6|-0)

You can't hear me, but I'm giving you finger snaps in agreement. That was perfect.

[–] dixiechick547 65 points (+65|-0) Edited

That was one of the things that stood out so starkly in the TERF Wars video. All the women looked like normal human beings. The TIMs look like pornified stereotypes. It really is a stark difference. Being a woman = being pretty/hot/sexy to them. Back when I first got into this discussion they used to claim that they were so performative because of ‘hate keeping’ requirements. Now there is no gate keeping and they’re more pornified than ever. Frankly I don’t expect any better from men, but I’m stunned so many women fail to see this and be insulted by it.

[–] Verdandi 7 points (+7|-0)

If "hate keeping" was a typo, please leave it

[–] dixiechick547 4 points (+4|-0)

It was a typo. I have vision problems but you’re right it’s a great typo.

[–] MeNsTrUaToR27 44 points (+44|-0)

Yea males using beauty standards to police our appearance. What's new? I don't get it??

[–] kalina 37 points (+39|-2)

oh yeah? meet you in the ring, no makeup allowed. Let's see which one of us looks better with no fake BS

[–] starry 27 points (+28|-1)

It's not just about looking better, it's also about looking female. You could take the most beautiful no make up TIM and you'd still be able to clock him immediately because of his body shape compared to the average woman's bodyshape.

Of course there are women with more masculine body types. But on average, there is a big difference in build between males and females, no matter what medication someone takes.

[–] kalina 16 points (+16|-0)

yeah thats what gets me, this idea that a man could ever somehow look more feminine than an actual woman. The butchest butch looks more feminine than the most dolled up TiM because SHE'S ACTUALLY A WOMAN. I don't know what went wrong in their perception to actually make them feel like this

[–] WhinoRhino 0 points (+0|-0)

Yep. If Nia Jax came out to wrestle Nyla Rose we would all know who is actually the female, despite similar body types. [(This response probably makes no sense to anyone, but it involves professional wrestling. (It was the "bring to the ring" statement.)]

Also, (this is a bit of power leveling) I got to see Nia debut at a dark show! So happy about that! She was very green then, and I think she has a ways to go, but it has been really cool getting to see her work. I like her on the mike, now. She's much more confident.

[–] starry 1 points (+1|-0)

I had never heard of either of them so I just googled images and then checked to see if my assumption on who's the TIM was correct - and it was, of course, lol.

[–] Avadavat 34 points (+34|-0)

"Male Pretending to be Female Attempts to Compel Girls and Women to Engage in Peformative Femininity, a Femininity that Prioritizes Self-Dehumanization, Self-Objectification, and the Male Sexual Gaze in Every Aspect of Life."

THERE! Fixed it for you.

Besides which, if "Cis" (sic) women actually presented as this "knight in shining armor," wouldn't that make them "trans men" in gender identity ideology? Why would "trans women" (sic) have anything to teach "trans men" (sic)?

Oh, God, this ideology, this so called movement is so damn incoherent...so fucked up, it makes my head spin (which, undoubtedly, is the point).

[–] feminist 30 points (+30|-0)

I'm not trying to be hateful but I've honestly never seen a TiM I would describe as "beautiful" (or any male, for that matter). I don't find drag makeup to be attractive.

[–] hmimperialtortie 15 points (+15|-0)

Same. I find men pretending to be women skin-crawlingly awful, whether they’re the usual Yaniv-standard fugly or the uncanny-valley White variety. There’s no beauty in any of them. They’re caricatures, grotesques. And I do find some few normal men beautiful, like Paul Newman or Robert Redford in their younger days.

[–] bellatrixbells 12 points (+12|-0)

Me neither. It makes me laugh when TRAs and handmaidens try to insult me or other women claiming this or that TIM is hotter than us.

I'm like yeah aside from the fact that I think having your face caked in makeup is ugly AF, I'm fairly sure most guys I'm attracted to are not into drag queens either so I think I'll be good.

[–] RawSienna 24 points (+25|-1)

Guess who looks like a woman without lifting a finger to alter her appearance?

A woman.

[–] SamuraiGhostCat 14 points (+15|-1)

Men have been “teaching” women how to be “beautiful” (i.e. forcing unfair beauty standards on us) for centuries/millennia. Nothing new.

Also, TIMs are ugly as fuck. Just saying 🤷‍♀️

Yep. They have well and truly earned the label “pigs in wigs” whatever the rules here say about us using it.

[–] MeNsTrUaToR27 6 points (+6|-0)

Remember in Contrapoint's TERF video where the main complaint is that GC women call TiMs ugly lmfao that must be really fucking hard for you s/

[–] clouds 9 points (+9|-0)

Fuck that. Who said I wanted to be beautiful? I like my swamp witch vibes. They can fuck off with this beauty crap.

[–] Gabble 9 points (+9|-0) Edited

Who was it who commented a while ago about imagining a world where people were weirdly obsessed with women being good at bowling, rather than beautiful? I haven’t been able to get it out of my head since, and I’ve been overwriting comments in my head as people make them in real life, almost in real time, to my own private amusement.

“Oh, you’re definitely good at bowling: don’t talk yourself down! You might not be conventionally good at it, with your score of 20, but your inner bowling skill shines out.”

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