[–] BlackCirce 155 points (+155|-0)

Reading stuff like this makes me sick. I can’t stand how they’ve made corrective rape into a social justice thing. Where are the legacy gay and lesbian rights organizations pamphleting and workshopping about corrective rape and lesbian rights? I want to scream

[–] IrishTheFrenchie [OP] say_wut? 130 points (+130|-0)


Not "sucking her dick enough"

Give me a fucking break. If that isn't the most MANNISH thing to ever come out of a MAN'S mouth.

[–] BlackCirce 125 points (+126|-1)

What really told all is that the trans male claimed not to like PIV. So many trans males say that. It’s in all the “guides to trans sex.” “Not all trans women want to use their penises during sex!” 🤡

It’s lies and grooming. It sounds like something a pimp would say “don’t worry sweetie the nice man just wants to kiss you” This is NOT my first rodeo. Anyone who has met a man who didn’t want to use his penis during sex, please step forward.

They tell these sick lies to lesbians to trick them into sexual relationships that cause lesbians pain, disgust and anguish... I cannot describe how much I hate this whole movement.

[–] yesisaiditxx 53 points (+53|-0)

Every time I read this I laugh out loud because if his dick works he wants to insert it, stop saying otherwise.

[–] PlainSimpleTailor 27 points (+27|-0)

Yeah I've heard the "HRT makes the penis small, soft and flaccid" tidbit that's supposed to make it sound less threatening to have sex with a TiM. But if a lesbian doesn't want dick, she doesn't want a tiny broken dick either! How is that better in any way???

[–] Griffxx 24 points (+24|-0)

Don't forget the Sexual Trauma. Because when they finally do find a lesbian partner, they will bring that trauma with them. The partner will have to pick up the pieces.

[–] NotCis 7 points (+7|-0)

What's it going to take to get people to see through this crap? We should do "who said it" games where players have to guess whether crap like that was said by a TIM or an MRA. The overlap between the two groups is startling, but it's even more startling that other people are eating up the misogyny with a spoon.

[–] notyourfetish 111 points (+111|-0) Edited

In today's episode of what is wrong with men . . .

It's painful how brainwashed that poor woman is, using phrases like "male women" and "raised male." They ARE male.

You were raped, honey. That is corrective rape. Someone pushed your boundaries and ignored your desires to center his own, while bullying you and coercing you into constant sex you did not want and sex acts you did not enjoy. You weren't even a person to him, just a plaything.

And the other comments in the thread are deranged. Just deranged. They actually think a dildo is the same as an actual penis. I can just imagine them typing their clueless, self-centered comments with their backward wigs and smeared makeup as they jack off to My Little Pony.

They don't understand sexuality but "TERFs" are totally the crazy ones.

[–] ixora 49 points (+49|-0)

Anyone who has ever said that a dildo is the same as a penis has clearly never had sex with a man or used a dildo.

It may also be disassociation and that's why she doesn't see the disconnect. She says she doesn't do fellatio ("I just don't do it") and then right in the next sentence describes how the TIM forced her to do it. "I loved her as a woman." A man raped her.

[–] chromodorisrex 81 points (+81|-0)

Archive link of the very creepy original post

Im_no-egg [Transbian]

I'm a trans woman that accidently went into a terf subreddit where everyone was whining about how lesbians don't like penises and something about trans women silencing real women. I really don't even know anymore.

We know. We know you’re a man, with a fetish. Go away.

[–] ditchwitch 70 points (+70|-0)

"What if a trans woman being into a cis woman is no different than a cis man being into a cis woman. What if I'm no different than one of those men saying "I'll turn you into a penis lover""

Ding ding ding we have a winner.

[–] BlackMoonLilith 25 points (+25|-0)

But with no self-awareness he later says...

What sucks is that I think the people that typed that shit weren't lesbians, but rather straight women that assumed they know what gay girls want.

Sir, you are a straight man assuming you know what gay girls want.

[–] crispycherrypie 54 points (+54|-0) Edited

I didn't know there WERE still "terf subreddits" anymore, I thought every single one of them got banned. Is he whining about FDS?

[–] chromodorisrex 40 points (+40|-0)

I know, right? Biggest lie. Notice he doesn’t name it- the second they see anything that doesn’t suck the girldick, it’s screeching and crying about it nonstop and running to AHS.

[–] crispycherrypie 45 points (+45|-0)

It just occurred to me that maybe he's crying about ovarit, in which case, hi there, buddy! You are and always will be a man, and men can never be lesbians! Stay sad!

[–] hermiona52 16 points (+16|-0)

There's one sub for lesbians that I'm aware of, that just forbids discussion about trans stuff. Most of those who are active there know it's just to hopefully avoid the ban, but it's quite terfy. I won't post the name of that sub because of potential brigading.

[–] BlackCirce 37 points (+37|-0)

The OP is a bisexual who cannot comprend homosexuality and wants to be in lesbians’ business so he can “understand” how women can be homosexual. I guarantee he has had sexual relationships with bisexual women who claimed to be lesbians and so now he’s confused how “some lesbians” don’t like penis and PIV. This shit is metastatic.

[–] jvsmine 11 points (+11|-0)

mhm, this. I know a girl who now thinks she's a nonbinary lesbian who is dating a TIM and claims that because of this, lesbians do in fact love girldick.

she has slept with multiple men and enjoyed dating them in the past. she's not a lesbian. she just likes appropriating lesbian identity and it repulses me.

He’s not confused. Don’t blame bi women who say they’re lesbians. These men know very well what a lesbian is, they’re not confused because a bi woman mislabeled herself.

[–] BlackCirce 2 points (+2|-0)

These men know very well what a lesbian

I used to believe that, I really did. I don't anymore. I think there are a lot of bisexuals, both male and female, who don't understand or don't believe that homosexuality exists.

[–] DontDoxxMe 33 points (+33|-0)

Fucking lol. He’s a total misogynistic shitshow. I was archiving this post of his for TransLogic:


[–] chromodorisrex 44 points (+44|-0)

post is two days old

OP says “I accidently came accross a radfem subreddit “

No you didn’t, bro 😂 if you found criticism of you on Reddit, you did not find it actual terven- Reddit has banned them to protect your feelings, so buckle up for our real opinions, sir

Wow, what an incredible post...

I mean, trans people are the victim. Of everything.

Trans AMABs were raised into toxic masculinity and then transition into misogyny.

You're not forced to either be a toxic male or become trans! You can choose to do neither!

[–] fizzy 2 points (+2|-0)

The catcalling affects us too.

Right, and you find it gender affirming as opposed to the harassment it actually is.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie [OP] say_wut? 19 points (+19|-0)

So the OP is discussing lesbians and penis penetration and transwomen, and that's okay, but when a woman replies with her experience with those things, she's a transphobe.

I hate this world.

[–] aloe_vera 5 points (+5|-0)

They are trying to use dictionary definitions to prove they are right in r/TransyTalk:

[–] Samtastic33

Last time I checked, no part of the definition included “attracted to pussy”.

For example, Merriam-Webster defines it as: “a woman who is sexually or romantically attracted to other women : a gay woman”.

No part of this says “pussy” or any other synonyms. Lesbians can be attracted to some trans women (and still not be “bi or somewhere on the kinsey scale”) because trans women are women.


I believe many people think of what they're attracted to as more than just genitalia. Lesbians by definition is a female who is attracted to other females, not females that prefer pussy, it's over simplifying it. A lesbian wouldn't necessarily be attracted to a person who identifies, acts and presents male, with a body of a male, just because it has female genitalia.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie [OP] say_wut? 9 points (+9|-0)

For example, Merriam-Webster defines it as: “a woman who is sexually or romantically attracted to other women : a gay woman”.

Maybe they need the dictionary definition of "woman"

[–] [Deleted] 3 points (+3|-0)

. A lesbian wouldn't necessarily be attracted to a person who identifies, acts and presents male, with a body of a male, just because it has female genitalia. reply>

Um, this person is definitely under 15 years old.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie [OP] say_wut? 8 points (+8|-0)

[–]SchrodingersZebraLesbian 1 point 1 day ago My girlfriend has a penis. I've been with cis men before in the past and it's a completely different experience because I actually enjoy being intimate with my girlfriend (though PIV is a small part of our sex life). I always hated sex with my ex boyfriends but did it anyway because comp het.

[–]Im_no-eggTransbian[S] -2 points 1 day ago Does that just mean TERFs overstate and inflate how much penises matter? It just feels like it's a thinly veiled excuse they use to try pretending that trans women aren't real women and being attracted to trans women and having sex with them is no different from having cishet PIV

They're flat out lying to this guy and don't realize what they are creating. This is what the echo chamber does. He is being told, quite literally, that a penis can exist in a lesbian relationship, and anyone who says otherwise, is a hateful TERF.

[–] Choccolat 11 points (+11|-0)

Handmaidens annoy me so much. How can they be so devoid of common sense?

[–] RisingUp 74 points (+74|-0)

What the fuck is that comment at the top. Dude, it’s not ‘TERFs’ who are obsessed with lesbians using strapons.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie [OP] say_wut? 31 points (+31|-0)

I think he/she is replying to some comment about how a penis counts as lesbian sex and that only "TERFS" are obsessed with it being a strapon, not a real dick.

[–] RisingUp 63 points (+63|-0)

So he really thinks that the options for how to have lesbian sex are:

1) Dildo 2) Strap-on 3) Penis.

May he die a virgin, so that no women ever have to deal with this mess.

[–] Sunkised 8 points (+8|-0)

Lmao none of the women I've been with wanted penetration

[–] Stealthygal 16 points (+17|-1)

In My Day all the lesbians I knew were loudly opposed to penetrative sex of any kind, so....

[–] jvsmine 7 points (+7|-0)

right? I'm a bisexual woman in a relationship with another woman (for any trans lurkers, that'd be women with vaginas), and we've gone five years without one single sex toy shaped like a dick.

we don't need or want your dick. dick isn't necessary and we find it repulsive if it isn't attached to someone we've liked, we're the same in that way.

not all lesbians use sex toys. like these guys need to calm down with the porn.

Yeah my experience is similar. I've yet to be with a lesbian who liked dildos. I've been with more straight men who liked being pegged than women who do.

[–] elscat 66 points (+66|-0)

There was a good post in a gay sub on Reddit from a bi guy that has slept with men, women and transwomen. He said that TW had a tendency to put on a ‘porn’ act that usually put him off and it always felt like he was sleeping with a man. He also said he wouldn’t stick his dick in a neovagina again because it stunk his room out for 2 days hehehe. I’m away to try and find it because it was gold.

[–] Srfthrowaway 40 points (+40|-0) Edited

wouldn’t stick his dick in a neovagina again because it stunk his room out for 2 days





I would like to mail-order this guy like ALL the antibiotics.

[–] TervenofBitches 34 points (+34|-0) Edited

😱 I’m gagging over that! I once went down a rabbit hole about SRS surgeries (because i like to watch videos of gory surgeries—though the vaginaplasty was almost too much for me), and found a study where biologists tested the microbiomes of penile-inverted neovaginas compared to real vaginas. Neovaginas contain almost no lactobacillus (the bacteria that act as a barrier against fungal infections in real vaginas), and an overgrowth of gardnirella vaginalis (the bacteria responsible for bacterial vaginosis). So best case scenario, a neovagina has a constant case of bacterial vaginosis. Worse case scenario, they constantly have fungal infections. Add in the fact that the inverted skin is being kept much warmer and moister than it’s supposed to be, and that a neovagina doesn't clean itself out like a natural vagina (they also found bacterial strains that are only found in saliva), and it’s just a biohazard! 🦠🌮⚠️ I wonder if TiMs really know all that they’re getting into when they decide to have their genitals mutilated.

[–] PlainSimpleTailor 7 points (+7|-0) Edited

Isn't there one kind of vaginoplasty that uses a piece of your colon to form the """vaginal canal""""? That is basically like anal sex then, and needs the same kind of hygiene and precautions, which are very different from vaginal sex.

ETA: I've just realized having a vaginoplasty to get a "front hole" to be penetrated by men is just gay anal sex with more steps. It's the ultimate "sissyfication". They're just AGPs after all.

[–] JustWantToUnderstand 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

I feel like the only reasonable surgeries are the orchiechtomy and the SRS technique where they do not create any internal cavity (I think it's called limited depth something or other.) The neovagina is truly just the biggest fucking scam ever and I actually really do feel bad for people who get duped into thinking it's going to make them happy... when in reality, they're more likely to be left with a dysfunctional, rotting, bacteria filled wound forever where a perfectly functional body part once was.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie [OP] say_wut? 54 points (+54|-0)

Name redacted only because I didn't ask permission to share and she's not the aggressor here.

And thank you for your discretion. We got beaucoup lurkers and I don’t want any real woman harassed by the gencyn/Reddit transcultists.

[–] crispycherrypie 52 points (+52|-0)

It would blow these men's minds to know there are many lesbians who don't like penetration at all.

[–] La 35 points (+35|-0)

Yeah straight woman here and excuse my terrible ignorance of lesbian sex but I assumed that lesbians just use their own bodies (fingers and tongues and all that).

Obviously everyone can do what they want but plenty of straight women aren’t that into penetration either

[–] crispycherrypie 43 points (+43|-0)

How you can tell they're men even when they claim they don't identify as such: they think their pensises are the most amazing thing in the world.

[–] malloww 30 points (+30|-0)

This right here - they're literally incapable of imagining sex without a phallus involved. It's like "so who's the man in the relationship", except it's "so what's the dick in the sex". Nothing is, that's the point.

[–] Srfthrowaway 29 points (+29|-0)

plenty of straight women aren’t that into penetration either

Can confirm.

[–] MadSea 15 points (+15|-0)

Yes. I wish I could not have to do it ever again.

[–] tomboyeurope 6 points (+10|-4)

"Obviously everyone can do what they want but plenty of straight women aren’t that into penetration either."

Tbh,I think straight women pretend to like penetration just to keep their boyfriends/husbands.🤷

[–] [Deleted] 17 points (+17|-0)

Tbh,I think straight women pretend to like penetration just to keep their boyfriends/husbands

Probably not the majority. Please let's not make liking penetration a bad thing, or try to paint it as uncommon to enjoy penetration! It's fine if someone doesn't like it, but it's pretty normal for straight women to enjoy it.

[–] La 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

I’m the straight woman from before and I love penetration. It’s incredibly hot and I get off to it. But not everyone in the world is me.

I don’t like oral on me so much, but then it’s straight men who have tried getting me off to that and maybe they’re just not good at it.

[–] XX_Power 5 points (+7|-2)

As a straight woman that's kind of mind blowing to me. I can definitely enjoy stuff without penetration, but it's not very satisfying to me.

[–] sapphicafemme 41 points (+41|-0)

I really feel bad for the lesbians that have actually been bullied into trying to date a TIM. They are obviously men. There’s no difference in “mouth feel”, PiV is exactly the same, the have male bodies, and were socialized as men. There’s no distinction aside from bad wigs and lipstick. I really feel bad for these women but the other side of me worries that they threw common sense out the window to appease weirdos on the Internet/irl. That’s an experienced they’ll have to live with for the rest of their lives because they were lied to and forced themselves to go along with the lunacy.

[–] Griffxx 34 points (+35|-1) Edited

Finally someone who tried to speak the truth about what it's like to actually date a TIM, and paid the price for it.

They are just Heterosexual men who feminized their bodies because of their Fetish; which requires constant PIV sex as Gender Validation life support system.

Lesbian Victim: "I always treated her like the woman she was, but..."

[–] aloe_vera 29 points (+29|-0) Edited

Yikes, there is a lot of disturbing comments there:

I've been horribly sexually assaulted on multiple occasions and have a ton of trauma regarding penises. I will admit I had a hard time accepting trans women as women due to my understanding of socialization. I did a lot of research and found this article, https://devonprice.medium.com/gender-socialization-is-real-complex-348f56146925 which really helped me to understand and accept that trans people often pick up socialization for their true gender, not the gender they were assigned at birth. I did this research because I didn't want to hold any hate in my heart for another marginalized group but, it doesn't change the fact that penises horrify and repulse me.

Another person says:

I used to think I was bi, had been with a few men, and made the comphet assumption that penetrative sex was supposed to be meh at best. And then I started dating my fiancé, and I realized I was a lesbian after we bought a strap. The way I like to say it is “Turns out, I DO like dick, when it’s attached to a woman!” You are a woman, and anyone who tries to invalidate you or your partners for whether the sexy time cylinder is silicone or otherwise is full of horseshit. You are a woman, and in no way trying to invalidate anyone’s sexuality like a man with turning fantasies is. Some people have a genital preference, but I consider this to be akin to “having a type,” like preferring femme women, or refusing to date a smoker, it says more about them than it does about anyone else, nothing wrong with it if you’re respectful (which transphobes aren’t). But if that’s a personal preference, you apply it to your personal life, going on Reddit and complaining about trans women is excess assholishness, I’m sorry you have to encounter these people, you are welcome in this sub!

This person is totally a lesbian, you guys:

Speaking as another trans woman, who's happily married to a cis woman, all I can really tell you is that for some lesbians, penis is a-ok as long as it's a woman's penis, and for other lesbians only a vulva will do. Neither perspective is surprising or disrespectful or negative in any way, as long as people are respectful. Human sexuality is complex, and some people care about genitals and some people don't care. Both are valid, and it just is what it is.

[–] La 36 points (+36|-0)

When did sexual orientation, which in my generation we learned to say instead of “sexual preference”, become a genital preference?? When????

[–] Griffxx 33 points (+33|-0)

When TIMs and TIFs were rejected wholesale because they are opposite sex people with opposite sex socialization. They don't Believe HOMOSEXUALITY ACTUALLY EXIST. They have a Fetish for Lesbians and Gay TIFs have a Fetish for Gay men. It rooted in Heterosexuality and Gender Validation.

And by the way only homophobes and Conversion Therapist call our innate Sexual Orientations "sexual preferences."

That's what the issues has always been with Straight men, which TIMs are.

[–] maypelsyrup 36 points (+36|-0)

which really helped me to understand and accept that trans people often pick up socialization for their true gender, not the gender they were assigned at birth.

That woman so deep into it.

That's by definition not how socialization works. Socialization has to do primarily with how people other than yourself treat you, not how you personally view yourself. Even if a man could have a "ladybrain" that doesn't change the fact that he is interacted with as a male, and therefore experienced male socialization. Even if this male is so delusional that in his mind he is 100% a female, he will still experience male socialization.

[–] BlackCirce 21 points (+21|-0)

She got these ideas from Devon Price. Devon Price is a trans female who thinks she has male socialization and male privilege. The fact that she is behaviorally masculine she takes as being proof that she is really a man. She writes these navel gazing “sociological” essays on medium to try to justify her self hatred and spread it to other masculine women.

[–] BluecatSarah 7 points (+7|-0)

I’ve been told that by a TiF of my acquaintance that she somehow ‘acquired male privilege’. Best I can see she does sometimes get into testosterone/fuelled rages, but that’s not the same thing.

[–] Sylvia_Bern 2 points (+2|-0)

I just cannot understand how any adult can be so suggestible & gullible

[–] goatmeal 13 points (+13|-0)

anyone who tries to invalidate you or your partners for whether the sexy time cylinder is silicone or otherwise is full of horseshit

I'm not going to go into detail, but as a heterosexual woman I call bullshit on this. Sex is all about mutual pleasure and it makes all the difference to me.

[–] [Deleted] 10 points (+10|-0)

Ahh makes sense why these TIMs don’t understand this. Their partner’s pleasure and enjoyment is entirely irrelevant to most straight men.

[–] goatmeal 4 points (+4|-0)

Yeah, obviously that, but their own as well? I don't know if I'm explaining this right and I don't want to make this thread about PIV but the pleasure derived from penetrative sex is (should be) about more than insert tab A in slot B. These dudes have a pornified, simplistic view of it and I can't imagine it's fun for them either.

[–] bellatrixbells 6 points (+6|-0)

"Helped me to understand and accept that trans people often pick up socialization for their true gender, not the gender they were assigned at birth"

Oh, my, God, that bullshit. I saw this already. It's a big pile of wishful thinking. How do you pick up someone else's socialization ? Yeah, sure, you can pick up some of the stuff that's being told to others and you can also internalize what you think they're being told to an extent.

But you can't be socialized as a man if you're a woman and vice versa since most of it is basically how others interact with you... They'll never have access to the other's socialization, especially since they can't absorb the physical part of it !

Jeez !

[–] Owlchaser 28 points (+28|-0)

some women don't like people who were raised male

"People who were raised male" is a phrase that is just so baffling. You're talking about men. It's not that they were raised male, it's that they are male.

[–] PlainSimpleTailor 16 points (+16|-0)

Sigh. LGB people fought long and hard to prove that you can't raise someone to be gay or straight and it's not the parent's fault for "turning their kid gay". And then there's TRAs who try to say that biological sex, something we've known to be 100% genetic for millenia, is actually just socialization and can be changed by cosmetic surgery and different clothes any time.

[–] Owlchaser 3 points (+3|-0)

Ikr? It's almost like everything they say is babble. The sun is the moon, if I say it is, and it can turn into a flock of ducks under certain conditions, which I dictate!

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