[–] PlainSimpleTailor 4 points (+4|-0) Edited

Thanks for that link, I truly didn't know gay men were targeted for "transphobia" that much. I stand corrected in my assumption that women are targeted "99% of the time". It's obviously not as clear-cut. Somehow, however, pressuring women into accepting dicks inside their bodies seems more rapey than women trying to convince gay men of pussy. It's the same homophobia, but one group actually has physical power over the other and regularly threatens the other with sexual violence / sees sex as a punishment for dissenting women ("choke on my girld*ck" and such). Still doesn't make it okay that gay men are told to "overcome their pussyphobia" and such nonsense and I apologize for trivializing the way gay men are targeted. ETA: ugh, I read a lot of the posts now and some do also say men need to take a strap on up the ass because they take penis. Like WTF, it's the same exact thing as for lesbians, only in reverse. I want to scream, this is corrective rape. I especially hated "If you're gay and don't date trans men, you're not gay". Well, pray tell, what are they then??? Even if someone is a "bigoted" gay for only dating biological men, they're still gay FFS! You can't erase a sexuality because it doesn't include you. Damn.

[–] viragoeternal 4 points (+4|-0)

rape is rape no matter how it is perpetrated. claiming that penetration is 'more' traumatic than anything else kind of summarily dismisses many women's experiences of rape, including rape experienced as children. rape takes many forms, not all of it involves a penetrating penis. let's not undermine what gay men are being subjected to and its potential for long lasting damage.

[–] PlainSimpleTailor 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

Yes, of course rape is rape even if it doesn't involve penetration. I was just under the impression that the language used to attack gay men for "transphobia" wasn't referencing sexual violence as much as the language used to attack lesbians. It just shows that trans "women" are still men and retain male patterns of violence, whereas trans "men" generally seem to use less rape threats. There are some truly unhinged ones who wish death upon the "cis gays" though. I just thought the difference in language was noteworthy. The trans "men" and other female genderspecials seem to wish that cis gay men would just stop to exist somehow, whereas trans "women" use very graphic and more "active" language to describe their desire to punch, shoot and rape TERFs. It's all still homophobia, of course, and some people definitely use rapey language towards gay men too.