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I've just finished my first watch of Voyager, and in the past year also watched DS9 for the first time, and I feel like we've regressed so much when it comes to tv characters. Voyager has strong women, who are sensitive; strong men, who are sensitive; men who believe in logic; women who believe in logic; men who are a bit goofy, but have important skills and get respect; women who are angry, but have important skills and get respect.

And for none of these characters the fact that "I'm a man but sensitive" or "I'm a woman but a really good leader" is a big deal. It's just who they are, but it's not their character arch.

I love it and feel like we've lost this completely on tv. If you're not stereotypically man / woman, that's the story for your character. So boring!

So, yeah, I just started an immediate re-watch because the Spaceship is my safe place.

I've just finished my first watch of Voyager, and in the past year also watched DS9 for the first time, and I feel like we've regressed so much when it comes to tv characters. Voyager has strong women, who are sensitive; strong men, who are sensitive; men who believe in logic; women who believe in logic; men who are a bit goofy, but have important skills and get respect; women who are angry, but have important skills and get respect. And for none of these characters the fact that "I'm a man but sensitive" or "I'm a woman but a really good leader" is a big deal. It's just who they are, but it's not their character arch. I love it and feel like we've lost this completely on tv. If you're not stereotypically man / woman, that's the story for your character. So boring! So, yeah, I just started an immediate re-watch because the Spaceship is my safe place.

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[–] TheCakeIsALie 7 points (+7|-0)

I'm obsessed with the Expanse on Amazon. It's amazing sci-fi and every female character is fantastic in their own way. I can't recommend it enough.

[–] drdee 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

Seconded--there's a qualitative difference between media that have 'strong women characters' and media in which women are actual full characters, with their own personalities, agency and story arcs, and the Expanse is one of the latter. (So is For All Mankind.)

[–] TheCakeIsALie 1 points (+1|-0)

Right. They're all complex and flawed and not one of them has to run around in a skimpy costume to stand out. Bobbie's hulking power armor is the exact opposite of every other female armor trope.