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I've just finished my first watch of Voyager, and in the past year also watched DS9 for the first time, and I feel like we've regressed so much when it comes to tv characters. Voyager has strong women, who are sensitive; strong men, who are sensitive; men who believe in logic; women who believe in logic; men who are a bit goofy, but have important skills and get respect; women who are angry, but have important skills and get respect.

And for none of these characters the fact that "I'm a man but sensitive" or "I'm a woman but a really good leader" is a big deal. It's just who they are, but it's not their character arch.

I love it and feel like we've lost this completely on tv. If you're not stereotypically man / woman, that's the story for your character. So boring!

So, yeah, I just started an immediate re-watch because the Spaceship is my safe place.

I've just finished my first watch of Voyager, and in the past year also watched DS9 for the first time, and I feel like we've regressed so much when it comes to tv characters. Voyager has strong women, who are sensitive; strong men, who are sensitive; men who believe in logic; women who believe in logic; men who are a bit goofy, but have important skills and get respect; women who are angry, but have important skills and get respect. And for none of these characters the fact that "I'm a man but sensitive" or "I'm a woman but a really good leader" is a big deal. It's just who they are, but it's not their character arch. I love it and feel like we've lost this completely on tv. If you're not stereotypically man / woman, that's the story for your character. So boring! So, yeah, I just started an immediate re-watch because the Spaceship is my safe place.

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[–] klytaimestra [OP] 11 points (+11|-0) Edited

The most ridiculous thing about that is that A) hundreds of years in the future, we're still going to be worried about pronouns, really? Like, everything else has developed way beyond the current state of things, but we're still pretending using 'they' is somehow relevant? Language hasn't moved at all? And B) if gender identity really is a real thing, not just an imaginary concept, we haven't figured out how to fix everyone's sex to match their identity at birth? E.g. if non-binary exist, let's just 'fix' you into hermaphrodite. Surely, if these concepts are real, then hundreds of years from now medicine surely would have evolved so that all people who 'identify' as women, will be women, and the concept of 'trans' becomes obsolete that way?

I really liked Discovery otherwise though. Although on it, I feel like the "strong woman" is a stereotype rather than just one dimension of a complex character.

edit: grammar

[–] ActualWendy 1 points (+1|-0)

Or... maybe, in the Star Trek future, if a person's mind doesn't fit their body, there's a medical treatment for that? Perhaps treatments for mental illness will progress as much as physical illnesses, *because the mind is not separate from the body. *