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So I watched a bunch of seasons of Schitt's Creek last year and LOVED it. I thought the romance between David and Patrick was so wholesome and lovely - something we don't really get to see among gay guys on TV. I stopped watching right around when David sings to Tina Turner and dances for Patrick. All cute.

But I decided to rewatch the whole series this past week so that I could finally watch the last few seasons, and it took a weird turn (spoilers obviously).

It starts when a guy comes into the store and gives Patrick his number. David insists that they should go out so that Patrick can experience other people and not get tempted later on... okay, I get the logic. Patrick goes on his date and David ends up getting worried that he didn't lay any ground rules but it turns out Patrick "can't go through with it" and ends the date. Alright, cool.

But then, at Patrick's house-warming party, David kisses Ted during spin the bottle. Patrick and David get into a fight about it because Patrick is jealous that David got to kiss someone else, especially someone handsome like Ted. Okay, weird thing to be jealous about, especially since I thought he'd be jealous that he didn't have David all to himself, but okay.

AND THEN they run into David's ex, who invites them over... and they go over expecting... a threesome? What happened to them being exclusive with one another? (They don't go through with it because it ends up being more of an orgy situation and apparently that's too far).

I was weirded out but still kind of onboard until the finale. In the last episode, on their wedding day, David gets a handjob from his masseuse and he assumes Patrick arranged it for him. Wait... what? It's clear Patrick didn't intend for that to happen, but they're all okay with it and just laugh it off? And David makes a joke about it during the wedding ceremony? Gross. Like... so gross that it tainted the whole series for me. Ew David. I thought this was a magical romcom-type show where a guy finds his soul mate, but then it adds all this extra-marital sex stuff in it and I have a hard time laughing it off.

What's worse is that the reddit sub says anyone who thinks it's weird is a "cis heteronormative prude" and that having an open relationship (with "sex workers", no less) is part of "the queer community". Excuse me, what? Throughout the 90s, the LGB community was trying to get away from the idea that they were all sex-crazed people, insisting that they'd treat marriage with respect, etc. And now, all these redditors are saying that getting hand-jobs from sex workers on their wedding day is part of their lifestyle?? It's bizarre and gross. Meanwhile, all the comments calling it out were downvoted to oblivion.

Okay, that's my rant. I was just so disturbed by that finale, I had to share. I also had issues with Alexis' story/conclusion but we'll leave it there for now.

edit: added quotations to "sex worker" and "queer community" because those are reddit's terms, not mine.

So I watched a bunch of seasons of Schitt's Creek last year and LOVED it. I thought the romance between David and Patrick was so wholesome and lovely - something we don't really get to see among gay guys on TV. I stopped watching right around when David sings to Tina Turner and dances for Patrick. All cute. But I decided to rewatch the whole series this past week so that I could finally watch the last few seasons, and it took a weird turn (spoilers obviously). It starts when a guy comes into the store and gives Patrick his number. David insists that they should go out so that Patrick can experience other people and not get tempted later on... okay, I get the logic. Patrick goes on his date and David ends up getting worried that he didn't lay any ground rules but it turns out Patrick "can't go through with it" and ends the date. Alright, cool. But then, at Patrick's house-warming party, David kisses Ted during spin the bottle. Patrick and David get into a fight about it because Patrick is jealous that David got to kiss someone else, especially someone handsome like Ted. Okay, weird thing to be jealous about, especially since I thought he'd be jealous that he didn't have David all to himself, but okay. AND THEN they run into David's ex, who invites them over... and they go over expecting... a threesome? What happened to them being exclusive with one another? (They don't go through with it because it ends up being more of an orgy situation and apparently that's too far). I was weirded out but still kind of onboard until the finale. In the last episode, on their wedding day, David gets a handjob from his masseuse and he assumes Patrick arranged it for him. Wait... *what?* It's clear Patrick didn't intend for that to happen, but they're all okay with it and just laugh it off? And David makes a joke about it *during* the wedding ceremony? Gross. Like... so gross that it tainted the whole series for me. Ew David. I thought this was a magical romcom-type show where a guy finds his soul mate, but then it adds all this extra-marital sex stuff in it and I have a hard time laughing it off. What's worse is that the reddit sub says anyone who thinks it's weird is a "cis heteronormative prude" and that having an open relationship (with "sex workers", no less) is part of "the queer community". Excuse me, *what?* Throughout the 90s, the LGB community was trying to get away from the idea that they were all sex-crazed people, insisting that they'd treat marriage with respect, etc. And now, all these redditors are saying that getting hand-jobs from sex workers on their wedding day is part of their lifestyle?? It's bizarre and gross. Meanwhile, all the comments calling it out were downvoted to oblivion. Okay, that's my rant. I was just so disturbed by that finale, I had to share. I also had issues with Alexis' story/conclusion but we'll leave it there for now. edit: added quotations to "sex worker" and "queer community" because those are reddit's terms, not mine.

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[–] carpetplaydohx2 17 points (+17|-0)

I was bothered by those things, too. And while I liked David Rose the character, I did not like David Rose the person (if that makes sense? he was entertaining to watch but probably horrible to know). I could never understand what Patrick saw in him or why he wanted to actually be with him. The relationship didn't make sense to me. I wasn't really happy with Alexis' arc, either.

[–] immersang 9 points (+9|-0)

And while I liked David Rose the character, I did not like David Rose the person (if that makes sense? he was entertaining to watch but probably horrible to know).

Completely agree. The relationship, while cute in many episodes, also did not make a lot of sense to me, for the same reasons you mentioned.

I remember a while back we had a "What was ruined for you after you turned GC?" topic here, and someone mentioned Schitt's Creek, because apparently Dan Levy was praising Chase Strangio on Twitter. And somehow this did not turn me off the show, because.....well, an insufferable actor playing an insufferable character kind of works for me? It's not as if he ruined some beloved character for me with his real-life opinions. David came out of the gate with his "pansexual identity". Fits the profile, so-to-speak.

[–] Nurvilya 6 points (+6|-0)

I think that someone could have been me, because it really put me off the show, and I think I remember mentioning it here. (I should go through my comment-history to check)

Anyway ... I remember following Dan Levy on Twitter, and the moment he pandered to Chase Strangio was the end for me. And I still feel so annoyed that I let this shit ruin my favourite comedy for me. I just couldn't watch anymore.

And then I read spoilers about the wedding, the hand-job and how David's and Patrick's relationship went from wholesome to ... blergh!

It's mentioned in other comments here, that homosexual people fought for representation of their relationships on TV that are not about "LOL, look at us promiscuous queers ... fucking around ... we are such fun ... not like you cis heteronormative prudes". Such a turn-off, to have a perfectly lovely relationship go down that drain.

[–] Mintie 3 points (+3|-0)

Not just that, but the actor is gay, plays him as a stereotype of a gay man, then says the character is pansexual. What?

[–] yarnfiend13 16 points (+16|-0)

I thought I was the only one that was seriously weirded out by that finale!! in what show with a heterosexual wedding would one of the partners having sex with a sex worker be seen as a good thing??

Throughout the 90s, the LGB community was trying to get away from the idea that they were all sex-crazed people, insisting that they'd treat marriage with respect, etc. And now, all these redditors are saying that getting hand-jobs from sex workers on their wedding day is part of their lifestyle??

this just summarizes all of my feelings about the way LGBT politics and spaces have changed over the course of my lifetime.

[–] roundabout 15 points (+15|-0)

I do wonder if, as time went on during the show's production, Daniel Levy (who plays David, and is one of the show's creators) perhaps fell more under the spell of transactivism – like the rest of the world, but perhaps in his case particularly influenced by the actor who plays Stevie, Emily Hampshire, who for a while was dating a TIM called Teddy Geiger?

Coz yeah, the David/Patrick love story was very feelgood, including the way that it was (very consciously by the producers) treated as a regular love story without that battling-against-homophobia angle that is so common in TV and films (not that there's anything wrong with that except that it's so universal). And then it got a bit less feelgood; the wedding day massage thing was so euh.

PS Can't stand that term "sex worker"; it's not work.

I hate that term too - I'm only using it because that's the term they were using on reddit to justify it all, and it just drives home how gross they all are. I should have put quotations around it.

[–] Free_Metis 10 points (+10|-0)

I was also bothered by the things you mentioned, and they definitely led to me no longer liking the show. I finished it because I had been watching from the beginning. But I will not rewatch it and I will not recommend it to anyone. Unfortunate, because like you said, they started out cute and wholesome. Oh, well :/

Binge-watching it made me realize just how much I dislike David Rose. I can't think of any redeeming qualities he has, and he never really gets nicer toward the end. Not only does he never say 'I love you' back to any of his family or Stevie, but he starts making arrangements to move back to New York without ever telling Patrick (his fiance!!). He never really does anything nice for Patrick either. Even with the whole hand-job situation, he turns the situation back around and makes it Patrick's fault.

I wish I could edit out all of his scenes after season 3 or 4. That's maybe the only way I'd be excited to watch the series again.

[–] Free_Metis 12 points (+12|-0)

Yeah. Another reason I found the show disappointing in general is that I didn't feel the Rose family ever truly grew or changed much throughout the series. David was definitely the worst, though.

To be honest, I was hoping for a huge rejection of capitalism and class imbalance etc. Like just a lot more commentary on wealth and happiness, with a healthy amount of ragging on rich people. It didn't turn out that way and became more just feel-good fluff with little actual value, in my opinion.

[–] BlackMoonLilith [OP] 12 points (+12|-0) Edited

That's so true. The rejection of wealth would have made the ending SO much better. Johnny could decide to run his business from the actual motels (giving it that "personal touch" he was talking about). Moira decides to stay with him, opening a theater or drama club in Elmdale or something. I think Ted should have leveraged his position for one in Florida to study iguanas (or something like that) and Alexis would choose a non-glamorous lifestyle with Ted without giving up her business (that way, they'd both be giving something up for each other).

So much wasted opportunity.

[–] Nim 7 points (+7|-0)

I felt the same way about that final episode. It was just so... gross. Like, WHY did they have to do that? It really ruined their relationship for me, too.

[–] Nurvilya 7 points (+7|-0)

What happened between Patrick and David is a huge reason why I didn't pick up the show again, after I stopped watching at some point in the last season. - It was when Dan Levy posted praise of Chase Strangio on Twitter that I stopped watching. I always wonder if I should go back and finish the show, because it's always been my happy place (even with the flaws that you and the comments here mentioned. - I just loved the Rose's and Schitt's Creek). But I read spoilers (because that's what I always do) and the things happening on their wedding day just make me go "WTF??? WHY??? Are you out of your mind???".

So, yeah, that's that. :(

[–] Veneficca 6 points (+6|-0)

This was one of the shows I started and completed in lockdown. I had the same feelings as you. Got to the massage handjob and felt utter distaste and disconnection from the show.

Also, as someone who comes from rural America - none of the "sex positive" scenes landed at all. Completely divorced from reality.

[–] momofreyrella 6 points (+6|-0)

Wow! I stopped watching after Eugene Levi said David was pansexual, meaning he dates "men who used to be women, women who used to be men"

[–] BlackMoonLilith [OP] 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

I never believed that David's character would ever have sex with a TIM or a TIF, tbh. I could believe he dated a guy who now identifies as non-binary, but that's the extent of it. I never believed that he had any sexual attraction to Stevie either - it actually made me cringe when they hooked up. It all seemed shoehorned in there for the sake of woke points.

[–] momofreyrella 1 points (+1|-0)

I agree. I was trying to get into the show because the YouTube channel The Take said the character growth was good. Stevie was the only characters I liked.

I have a personal little rule: never watch the finale. Of any series. Rather miss out one the one or two with good fineles than being sad about all the series that were spoiled because of it! Obviously you stopped watching the first time at a very good place!

[–] GracieM 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

I was really bummed too. But I knew almost no one would agree with me it was weird so I haven’t discussed. The handjob was over the line for me, like if my husband did that on our wedding day. Whoa, I’d be so mad!

[–] Unruly_Rose 1 points (+1|-0)

I am so late to the game on this one, but I have to chime in anyway. I totally agree with everything you're saying about the relationship between Patrick and David, but my main bone to pick was how they treated Stevie! Near the beginning there was a moment where Stevie and David kissed, and then an awkward exchange later where Stevie tried to ask David if he was gay because she herself had only ever been into women. She tried to make an analogy with wine. Anyway, supposedly this is a lesbian woman, but they never show her dating a woman. She literally kisses David, becomes heartbroken over his rejection of her, and then starts dating men... I was really bothered by this treatment of the character and how it basically furthers the harmful idea that lesbian women just "haven't met the right man yet".