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So this premiered (you can see episode one for free on YouTube) and the show is doubling down on lesbians sleeping with TIMs.

Last season we had Finley hooking up with Tess and Angie dating Jordi. This season we have Shane headed for a romance with Tess, while Alice's girlfriend flirts with a bisexual TIM. In a small group of lesbians, what are the odds that 4 are attracted to TIMs?

It's such a disappointment because I really do like the show. There's so much nostalgic pleasure in seeing Bette pine after Tina, or hearing Bette pronounce "groupon." Supposedly Helena will make an appearance, which pleases me, and Rosie O'Donnell plays the kind of butch character this show has always needed. But this incessant need to pair lesbians with biological men and act like it's perfectly natural sours the whole thing for me.

So this premiered (you can see episode one for free on YouTube) and the show is doubling down on lesbians sleeping with TIMs. Last season we had Finley hooking up with Tess and Angie dating Jordi. This season we have Shane headed for a romance with Tess, while Alice's girlfriend flirts with a bisexual TIM. In a small group of lesbians, what are the odds that 4 are attracted to TIMs? It's such a disappointment because I really do like the show. There's so much nostalgic pleasure in seeing Bette pine after Tina, or hearing Bette pronounce "groupon." Supposedly Helena will make an appearance, which pleases me, and Rosie O'Donnell plays the kind of butch character this show has always needed. But this incessant need to pair lesbians with biological men and act like it's perfectly natural sours the whole thing for me.

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[–] Jack_the_Lass 21 points (+21|-0)

Thanks for posting this, I was wondering about it myself.

No fucking way a character like Shane would ever date a fucking TIM. The only ones on the show that would date a fucking man in a dress would possibly by Alice or Tina, as they were bisexual.

I wasn't crazy about last season but also enjoyed the nostalgia. I'm a little more militantly GC now so I don't know if these stupid plot lines would ruin the whole show for me.

[–] UberBitchcraft 4 points (+4|-0)

I actually really enjoyed the final season, it felt kind of like a thriller. Jenny was a horrible person, so it was entertaining to see the rest of the characters realise that she was a total sociopath and began to hate her too. Like "Finally! I tried to tell you guys but you wouldn't listen!" I felt for Shane a lot, she was manipulated by Jenny and didn't know what to do, but you could tell that she was uncomfortable and awkward about it from the start.

Ding dong, the witch is dead!

With that said, I haven't seen the spin off, but read a bit about how it got all "woke". No thank you.

[–] tymps 12 points (+12|-0) Edited

So many things about this revival just make me feel so...sad, defeated, and angry. Then I feel a little silly for feeling so affected by a mere TV show, but honestly it feels like such a betrayal to lesbians, and it's just yet another way in which lesbians are disrespected and expected to be okay with it. It's just a TV show, but it's something that was and still is important to so many. It was a groundbreaking show when it premiered, and while it always had its flaws, it meant something to a lot of women. Now it's been revived and these same women are being disrespected and betrayed by a new showrunner and team of writers who clearly don't give a fuck about lesbians and are more interested in pushing an agenda. I don't normally like to use that phrase, but that's truly what this feels like. There's no other reason to explain why there are so many trans characters among this small group of characters and why Jamie Clayton in particular is being shoved down our throats despite not being a very good actor and having absolutely zero chemistry with any women.

It's probably a little ridiculous how angry and disheartened I feel about Shane likely being paired up with Tess in the coming weeks, but I can't seem to help myself. When they inevitably hook up I really hope that enough people will raise hell and point out how fucked up it is, but sadly I doubt it'll happen. People will just act like it's revolutionary and something to be celebrated. Lesbians fucking men is now progressive as long as the man pretends to be a woman. I realize that the showrunner has said that Tess is supposed to be female, but the actor does not pass. It's impossible to see any of his scenes as "lesbian" scenes, and we all know exactly what they're doing with this. It's so fucked up that they're doing this to one of the most iconic lesbian characters, but I'm sure that's exactly why they're doing this -- it's the ultimate validation.

I have to say that I kind of felt a sense of relief when I saw this post. It felt good to vent. Sometimes this shit ends up making me feel so alone because it's hard to find any critical voices, but I know we are not the only ones who are disturbed and disheartened by this. It's just so hard to say anything without being censored or attacked and ostracized, so I'm thankful for this space.

[–] malloww 4 points (+4|-0) Edited

why Jamie Clayton in particular is being shoved down our throats despite not being a very good actor and having absolutely zero chemistry with any women.

Pretty sure this is because Clayton is the closest Hollywood has to offer for a passing adult transwoman who has some sort of acting skill. Or at least, the closest who doesn't require drag levels of makeup to "pass".

Edit: and as to why they "need" a trans actor even though the character isn't supposed to be trans... Well, we all know the answer to that, unfortunately.

[–] CaptainLavender 4 points (+4|-0) Edited

You put it really well. I have an attachment to the original and pretty much just love it, with all the soap-opera bullshit and all.
I'm also particularly disturbed by the possibility of Shane and Tess. It does feel like they don't know what to do with Shane (why did they chuck out the baby plot? I enjoyed her and Quiara together, that would've been an interesting can of worms)

[–] cupcakes_and_shiraz 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

Jamie had incredible chemistry with Freeman Agyeman in Sense8 (where he also played a transbian), but in the L Word, he just comes off so strongly as HSTS that I have a hard time thinking he's into women at all.

[–] CaptainLavender 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

Jordi was a surprise to me last season when I was told, but now that the actor is older, it's quite obvious and Sophie Giannamore doesn't pass that well.

Rosie O'Donnell was a ray of sunshine and so funny, she felt right at home and I loved watching her antagonise Bette. And this was after weeks of people saying she'll be terrible 🙄 The same people who complain there isn't diverse rep in the show panic as soon as a less glamorous and older butch woman is cast...

Just give me a show where the OG cast pack up and move away. Outside of the trans issue, the new cast are mostly boring AF.

A little off topic but I could talk about this show all day, honestly.

[–] TheWatcher 3 points (+3|-0)

I keep getting the original recommended to me, but I can't get past how horrible the MC (girl has long black hair, with atheletic boyfriend) is. She just feels wrong to me, like a walking trouble magnet.

[–] CaptainLavender 5 points (+5|-0)

Jenny's character is bizarre to say the least and she doesn't remain an ""audience surrogate"" for very long, her character goes off the rails. I think the majority of fans dislike her (maybe the wrong word- she is definitely a bad person down the line, but entertaining if frustrating to watch).

[–] Veneficca [OP] 3 points (+3|-0)

Yeah, her character goes some weird places on the show. I don't want to spoil it, but you're definitely not alone in disliking her and that becomes a storyline.

[–] platypus 3 points (+3|-0)

This show has always been a step behind whatever the L+B community is actually doing. For gen 1, they took flak for shitting on butch women and being clumsy with their portrayal of trans characters (even though they were actually pretty accurate, TRAs don't like honest representation). So now they're trying to have "better" trans representation (aka idealized bullshit) and actual butch women.

By the end of gen 2 I strongly believe they'll be attempting to portray GC lesbians. The same way gen 1 started anti-trans and changed their tune by the end of the series. They're just trying to mirror whatever is going on in the community, after it happens. I suspect autostraddle will also have to at least try to make space for GC lesbians and bi women soon too, otherwise they're not really representing the community. The whole thing will probably be a very "now now, we may not agree with GC but we at least need to acknowledge their viewpoints, because they represent 80% of the LB community and their dollars count. Plus they've been getting attacked and it's disturbing as fuck" kind of thing.
And of course after that, trans will become "that awkward and sad thing our therapists all convinced us to do in the 2010s. Why did we think it was such a good idea?"