[–] lucrecia 36 points (+36|-0)

Obsessed with bone and face structure? We're not the ones literally shaving our own bones in an attempt to get our preferred face structure. Nor are we the people devoting hours of our lives to studying and changing our vocal patterns and mannerisms. I would say the people "obsessed" with birth names are the people who have meltdowns when they hear them. And as for cherry-picking experts... well that one's too easy, isn't it?

[–] ouvalemonde EmpressLadybrain 20 points (+20|-0)

"Experts" who believe in biology like.... any random person on the street? A five year old child? A dog?

Wow. You're basing your science on randos on the street, children and dogs ??? 😱😱😱


[–] ouvalemonde EmpressLadybrain 25 points (+25|-0)

Moral panics, concerns about "the children"

Well sorry if seeing 13 year old girls getting double mastectomies isn't concerning to you, Jared, but it is to me.

[–] no- [OP] 14 points (+14|-0) Edited

You're not allowed to care about children, only about lady-brained men and how to be useful to them.

[–] mil-bil 8 points (+8|-0)

I wonder who they think cares to make arguments about Western civilization? Never seen that anywhere, but in addition to misstating everything, why not mix in a bunch of lies too?

[–] Gini 🌸 Ad meliora πŸ¦• 6 points (+7|-1)

They ask me this often especially on reddit: "Why do you even care about some strangers kids?"

Like, I dunno dude, I'm just not into being a sociopath.

[–] shewolfoffrance 11 points (+11|-0)

You only get to care about the children if there's a chance to hawk pharmaceuticals or break down safeguarding rules.

The moment I saw that I was reminded of how making paedophilia legal and normal is part of this movement.

[–] Lysiena 15 points (+15|-0)

Stubborn belief in biological essentialism??? Buddy, pal, mate, friend ... Biological essentialism would be the assumption that all women are inherently feminine, which we don't believe. You'd know that if you actually bothered to read anything the evil tervens say.

We have a great post about it here on Ovarit :)

[–] BlackCirce blk birthing bod 14 points (+14|-0)

I’ve never met a radical feminist who gave a single fuck about preserving Western civilization. Our very existence is said to be the downfall of civilizations in general.

[–] mil-bil 13 points (+13|-0)


"Birth name and other birth characteristics." What? A name and a penis are quite different things, but sure, go ahead, let's pretend that there is a point there or that a penis can be "assigned at birth" or randomly picked out for you, like the name your parents gave you. 🀑

[–] worried19 2 points (+3|-1)

Although to be fair, I think it hurts our credibility when we put people's legal names in quotes, like they're fake. Adults are allowed to change their names. Changing your name from Bruce to Brenda doesn't mean that you've changed your sex. There's nothing wrong with being a male named Brenda.

[–] bellatrixbells 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

It's true, but changing their name is often a way to gaslight others. If I call Bruce Jenner Caitlyn, some people might think he's actually a woman. I get that that's the point ... But that's actually the reason I call him Bruce. πŸ˜…πŸ™ƒ

ETA I've gotten in a few conversations with "normies" who didn't know how this worked and it gets them very confused. Also I once had a TIF called David or something brag that I'd used her correct pronouns on Facebook. I looked at the profile picture : bearded woman. No chance of passing. Like ever.

[–] worried19 3 points (+3|-0)

To me, it makes no sense to refer to past Bruce Jenner as Caitlyn, but the current Jenner is Caitlyn. It's not a fake name. It's a real legal name.

I don't care if the name is associated with women. Actually, I'm more annoyed by the fact that doesn't make sense for Jenner's age. A name like Susan or Judy would have fit in better considering Jenner was born in 1949.

[–] mil-bil 2 points (+2|-0)

Yes, names are arbitrary.

I've mostly seen cases of names in quotation marks when the person said something outrageously misogynist or had a past of violence against women.

[–] Moonpriestess 13 points (+13|-0) Edited

Today I learned that acknowledging the reality of sexual dimorphism makes people the same as Nazis.

[–] Aparallaxia 12 points (+12|-0)

I get most of this, it's mostly projection as per usual with an admixture of liesβ€”but fucking phrenology? What is this person raving about? Maybe they don't know what phrenology actually is (or rather was)?

[–] BlackCirce blk birthing bod 12 points (+12|-0)

They think radical women knowing that men have larger skulls than women is the same as Nazis measuring the skull of Romani people to label them inferior.

[–] Aparallaxia 5 points (+5|-0)

Ah, now it's all clear... in some sense of 'clear', e.g. mad as a lorry. Thank you.

[–] GenderHeretic 11 points (+11|-0)

Literally every single one of these things is what they do. Just change the terf label to "TRAs" and look how accurately it reads.

[–] armwontset 6 points (+6|-0)

Excuse me but I dispense my quackery from the comfort of a chaise longue.

Moral panic about the Western Civilization ? I'm sorry but I'm fairly sure Nazis spoke of the Jewish tainted depravation of America.

We're saying Western values should be upheld, that TRAs are religious fundamentalists obsessed with right-wing concepts they try to pass as "leftist" because they have no idea what words mean.

Even if you disagree with that, you can hardly argue against the fact that TRAs call every single thing they don't like, mostly western concepts, "colonialist" and claim they should be abolished.

Do these people know anything about Nazis like... At all ?

[–] starwars 3 points (+3|-0)

TRAs are huge defenders of western civilization. They almost hate anarcho-primitivists as much as they do feminists.