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Yesterday, 7 years after this paper was published, it has finally been retracted. I completely missed this when it came out in 2013.

What paper, you ask? Prepare yourselves. Get a cushion to scream into if you don’t want the neighbours to think you’re being murdered.

Ok, ready? Here goes:

Attractiveness of women with rectovaginal endometriosis: a case-control study

Sorry, did attempt to warn you.

If you feel like being infuriated, read all about it here: Undress, the doctors will see you now

Yesterday, 7 years after this paper was published, it has finally been retracted. I completely missed this when it came out in 2013. What paper, you ask? Prepare yourselves. Get a cushion to scream into if you don’t want the neighbours to think you’re being murdered. Ok, ready? Here goes: [Attractiveness of women with rectovaginal endometriosis: a case-control study](https://archive.is/TQBX4) Sorry, did attempt to warn you. If you feel like being infuriated, read all about it here: [Undress, the doctors will see you now](https://forbetterscience.com/2019/08/15/undress-the-doctors-will-see-you-now/)

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[–] Boudicaea 18 points (+18|-0) Edited

Oh my God, so gross. Yeah, women are making it up when they say they feel more comfortable with a female doctor. /s No reason for that at all except misandry and transphobia:

Inclusion criteria were age between 20 and 40 years, nulliparity, Caucasian origin, no previous pelvic procedures before the index surgery, and a regular menstrual cycle.

Not even worth measuring hotness if you aren't a young white skinny female with no kids! That's so empowering.

Exclusion criteria were malignancy, ongoing pregnancy, congenital anomalies, acquired physical defects (e.g., following an accident of any type or a medical/surgical disease with physical consequences), previous esthetic and plastic surgery procedures, presence of visible tattoos or piercing, fixed orthodontic appliances, colored contact lenses, and completely dyed hair.

The doctors only want to see the hot ones naked, TYVM.

A higher proportion of cases first had intercourse before age 18 (53%, 39%, and 30%, respectively).

Fuckability is of course a hugely important measure in OB GYN practice!

Once this overall evaluation was completed, other four different physicians (two females and two males), blinded to the women's preoperative diagnosis but not to the study hypothesis, independently gave a judgment, based on direct evaluation, on patient attractiveness on a 5-point rating scale (5 = very attractive; 4 = rather attractive; 3 = averagely attractive; 2 = little attractive; 1 = not at all attractive).

Did they stand there with like Olympic score cards? And who the fuck are these women doctors that went along with this nonsense?

Absolutely outrageous. These docs ought to lose their licenses.

[–] politipoop [OP] 8 points (+8|-0) Edited

All of this is making me remember the first time I even went to a gynaecologist.

It was in Italy, I was 14 I think, and I was having debilitating period cramps, like my parents dropped me off at the local square on a Sunday morning to meet my abusive boyfriend, and he had to call my mum from a pay phone because I was embarrassing him by being curled up in the foetal position and moaning.

So I get taken to the gynaecologist. She opens the door and I’m in what I can only describe as half office (as in admin office), half storeroom of filing cabinets and dusty boxes.

She motions for me to go behind 3 filing cabinets that have been set up as a divider. There’s a table (as in dining table) there with a pillow at one end. I have to lie down on it, with my legs open towards the door.

There’s no hand washing, no gloves, just a roll of blue paper towels. She proceeds to shove wads of paper towels in me and then pull it back out. She keeps doing this.

Men walk in and out during all of this. My mum isn’t with me. The gynaecologist is chatting with these random people (they’re not doctors or medical professionals, they’re admin) while I’m lying there, ashamed, in so much pain, and afraid.

That was admittedly the worst experience I had at a gynaecologist in Italy, but not by much.

Edit: clarity

[–] Boudicaea 6 points (+6|-0)

Jesus fucking Christ, what the hell is going on in Italy?? I am so sorry for you. I don't think I could ever go back if I were treated that way. Do you have to have a prescription for birth control in Italy?

[–] politipoop [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

My experience there was misogyny is normal. Like men touching you, shouting at you in the street while touching themselves, all in broad daylight. Quite awful.

Yes, they give you a prescription, but you have to pay for the medication. And the prescriptions are just the doctor scribbling on a piece of paper what you need and then signing it. I kept the same tatty bit of paper for years, pharmacist didn’t care.

[–] Yennefer_Renee 3 points (+3|-0)

This reminds me of getting my first exam at 14 and now traumatizing it was. I really just needed birth control because of how painful and terrible my periods were. But my male doctor expressed he needed to do exams every 6 months to make sure things were "all okay down there" and it always made me feel uncomfortable. I should have expressed I wanted a female doctor instead of a very old man. Looking back now it makes my skin crawl a little bit not going to lie.

[–] politipoop [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

That sounds awful! When you’re young you just think “ok, the adult said I need to do this, I can’t question it, of course they know best”

I’m so sorry xxx

[–] DiamondFalls 0 points (+0|-0)

This reminded me that women are actually expected to go to gyns, even though there's nothing wrong. Classmates at school were scaring each other by claiming that at 16, when one is being transferred from a children's clinic to grownups' clinic, one has to get checked by every doctor. Gyn including. I was very anxious, but it didn't happen. I don't remember if the rumours were wrong, or I somehow got lucky, but I sure felt relieved when I was transferred without being inspected by a gyn. The cardiogrammes were traumatic enough.

Fast forward ten+ years, I'm pregnant and going to the first visit at the doctor's. I was reading moms' forums and they all went through gyn inspection at first visit, just to confirm that they were in fact pregnant (what). So again I was very relieved that I didn't have to get inspected (I was living in another country where standards of care are different). The usual pee-on-a-stick test is enough to determine if a woman is pregnant, no need to go deep diving. I shared my experience on those forums all bewildered, "Why are you being inspected? It's not needed!" and the answer was not what I was expecting: "But it's good to know that all is well down there!"

The ultrasounds were also done through the pelvic wall.

So I got my first gyn examination when I was giving birth.

And I can't stop thinking how lucky I am, my body is just doing its thing just fine and I don't have to be inspected just for the sake of inspecting. But I am also aware that it is pure luck on my part, that many women and girls gave to go through these violating examinations just because, even when that's absolutely not necessary. (If your reproductive system is treating you unwell, then of course you need help from a doctor).

This just goes to say that women's reproductive system is pathologized just for existing. And women are gaslighted into believing that in no way would they be able to tell if something was actually wrong.

presence of visible tattoos or piercing, fixed orthodontic appliances, colored contact lenses, and completely dyed hair.

Wtf.

[–] Luske 7 points (+7|-0)

I only skimmed this, but... what did they even want to determine? What was the point of rating 'attractiveness'?

My best guess is that they started with some evo-psych bullahit about fertile women being more attractive and got lost somewhere along the way.

[–] remove-the-veil 3 points (+3|-0)

Yeah, my guess is that it was some drunken 'boys club' bet that they then decided to turn into a 'study' for kicks...