[–] TerfSedai 12 points (+12|-0)

She's right that there needs to be more inclusivity in clothing and shoe design and manufacturing. On a practical note though, it's hard for brick-and-mortar stores to carry everything, especially if it's an item that caters to a smaller subset of the population. But I wish she had better options online!

On the off-chance that she stumbles upon this, I'd recommend trying high-end EU brands (not UK) that design for children and adults -- I'm a woman with smaller feet who occasionally buys large-size children's shoes. They often have good options for kids, some of which just look like scaled-down versions of their adult lines.

[–] Boudicaea 8 points (+8|-0)

My son has a disability that requires me to alter some of his clothes. It's just a part of living with a disability-- there is always going to be some level of inconvenience. But I can understand it being particularly difficult to cope with shoes. I sympathize with her, but practically speaking, she just has an uncommon body type that is never going to be easy to accommodate with off the rack clothing.

[–] TerfSedai 3 points (+3|-0)

Exactly, so hopefully she'll do better online -- plus if she finds one shoe brand that really works for her, she can stick with them.

[–] goatsauce 3 points (+3|-0)

There are quite a few high end brands, something like Ferragamo, that will basically make your shoes to order. (If I remember correctly, and it's been some time since I read this, Ferragamo will actually make the left and right shoes a different size to fit to your feet...if you pay enough.) It's unfortunate that there aren't more good options for someone with feet so small (I wear a size 5, so I understand the struggle) but it's also hard to find say, a women's size 12. When you're on the outskirts of a market, there just isn't enough demand for regular manufacturers to develop and make shoes that size as part of their regular manufacturing runs and it often involves having to have custom made things to fill that gap.

[–] Tnetennba 4 points (+4|-0)

Right? Try living in an Asian country with American women's size 10. It's not that terribly big in the west, but you have to buy men's shoes in Asia and even then they might not have your size.

[–] carpetplaydohx2 7 points (+7|-0)

I feel for her.

I have the opposite problem -- large, wide feet. I've found exactly one brand of shoes that works for me reliably, and even then, I can usually only find one or two styles in stock at any given time. It's a struggle when you just don't fit into the "standard."

[–] [Deleted] 4 points (+4|-0)

Same here. I’ve had size 11 shoes since I was 14. It’s the men’s section for me.

[–] Tnetennba 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

Same as my mother and I. We've bought from Zappos since they first launched. That free return shipping was a godsend in the early 2000s.

Edit: It blows my mind when people are like, "DERP DERP look at your gigantic gross manly feet!!"

You know who commonly wears a size 10-11? Supermodels, runway models, basically all tall gorgeous women that men consider the height of beauty and femininity.

I remember an old store manager of mine throwing a huge fit when she found out they only carry size 10-11 shoes at runway shows. She had a size 6 foot and was complaining it was discrimination that women with smaller feet had to stuff the shoes! She tried to get the rest of us as equally outraged at this but when I heard it I was like "SWEET!! I should be a model, I'd finally have shoes that fit! That's awesome!!"

She gave me a mega stink eye and skulked backed to the office.

[–] LunarMoose 4 points (+4|-0)

my daughter does, too. Some less than perfect shoe sales person explained to her when she was 14 that some people have 'pizza feet'.

I gulped (looking at my beautiful, very sensitive - and at the time barely feeling her teen years - daughter ) and then turn around and found the only shoes in reach that would fit and she could walk out happily in.

I paid 120 for some birkenstocks. (Mother to the rescue :)

[–] goatsauce 5 points (+5|-0)

That's horrifying! I worked retail for almost two decades, and I worked the shoe department for a long time. I saw all kinds of crazy foot situations, but I made a point to never make anyone feel bad about their feet. Some feet required finding shoes with different materials to accommodate bunions or hammer toes, or we'd have to order sizes for people that we didn't carry in the store, but it's unacceptable that someone shamed your daughter for her feet :(. If it makes her feel any better, the majority of my customers had wide feet (and we barely carried wide shoes, of course) and I'd say 50% of them were above a women's size 10. We never could keep 10s and 11s in stock because those sizes are typically only one pair per manufacturing shipment (we got 2 pairs per 7s-9s).

[–] Tnetennba 1 points (+1|-0)

We never could keep 10s and 11s in stock because those sizes are typically only one pair per manufacturing shipment (we got 2 pairs per 7s-9s).

I never understood this. I can name at LEAST 8 other women with size 10 feet. It's not that big and it's not that rare, especially in my region. Don't the manufacturers want to make money??

[–] Tnetennba 2 points (+2|-0)

Someone stole my gym shoes at age 14 so I had to ask the teacher for a pair. She looked down at my feet (size 10, which actually isn't large considering 99% of brick and mortar stores carry it and I can name 8 other women with the same shoe size) and exclaimed "HoLy MoLEy!!! You got some bigguns!!" like with her eyes popping out of her skull, hands flailing, shocked :O face.

She made a big song and dance about having to go ask the boy's gym coach for a pair of shoes because they didn't have my size. I refused to wear them, already feeling utterly humiliated in front of my gym class. I just took the penalty points and did a make-up session later, but it really killed me inside at the time. I had already grown so much faster than my peers and that teachers reaction had stuck with me for over 20 years now.

[–] TerfSedai 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

That's horrible that someone would be so shitty to a teenage girl, a group that is already notoriously insecure. I hope your daughter knows pizza is fucking delicious!

P.S. I am 110% obsessed with the extremely expensive and utterly fabulous shoes made by Fluevog, and most styles go up to a women's size 11, while some are unisex and go up to a women's size 15! Happy shopping!

[–] dixiechick547 6 points (+6|-0)

My mom was a super petite and wore a size 4.5 (US) shoe. She hated buying kid shoes so she started making her own.

[–] darkwolf131 4 points (+4|-0)

Yep that's me.

Sometimes you want something that's age-appropriate. Light-up sneakers are cute, but when you're 30...ehhhh.

And sometimes you want something well-constructed. I once bought two pairs of Converse the same day; one was a Kids 3, the other was a Womens 5 (converse sizing is mostly just men's sizes, but then a few designs are labeled with womens sizes) and the difference, construction-wise, was palpable. The adult ones had some nice arch support and felt sturdier; the kids ones were just flat and felt cheap.

I'd like to get into making shoes. I have experience making clothes and stuff, but shoes always seemed extra daunting. I think I'm going to give it a go

[–] dixiechick547 1 points (+1|-0)

Oddly enough she took a course at the local community college. Seniors could go for free. I think she took every class they had!

[–] Greengreenbean 3 points (+3|-0)

I have tiny feet and wear 4.5 (US) too. Thankfully, there are still women's shoe brands that make this size. (Naturalizer is my go-to).

Really interesting article, especially her final point about people with dwarfism being left out of disability arrangements since they’re not always physically incapacitated in terms of mobility etc.

[–] SarahTheGreen 5 points (+5|-0)

I am not a little person, but I do have an unusual body type (more than 2–3 SD from the mean) and I have never been able to get clothing or shoes that fit. I make my own clothes (especially important for pants – before I figured out how to fit pants I wore skirts all the time or very-poorly fitting pants) and simply don't wear shoes at all (except home-made moccasins in extreme winter). Nothing is as ergonomic as bare feet.

Yes, it would be nice if manufacturers provided clothing and shoes to fit everyone, but it's impractical. Businesses need to make money; they are not charities. Expecting them to provide ready-made items for outliers is unrealistic. A better solution would be specialists who can do custom-fit quality items for those of us who are outliers. That most likely means some of us are going to have to step up and acquire those skills. Sewing is relatively easy. Shoe-making is a lot harder, and it's rare for women to learn how, but given how unergonomic regular shoes are anyways, we could make it a thing.

[–] Tnetennba 1 points (+1|-0)

I mean, everyone owning custom made clothing is how things used to be. Manufacturing fast fashion for profit is the cause of so many societal ills. It greatly contributes to declining mental health. People take clothing tags very seriously.