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I know this is a hot take, at least to the rest of the world, maybe not to radical feminists. But I’ve seen WAY too much gun violence, and almost all of it is from men. Most of men’s gun use is not in self-defense, and they use them to commit homicides and mass murders frequently.

When women use guns, it is most often in self defense.

How many women mass shooters are there, compared to men? How many gun homicides are caused by men, compared to women?

Men have unchecked rage & refuse to control themselves.
Most sociopaths (people with antisocial personality disorder, of which the criteria are violence, and complete lack of empathy, guilt or remorse) and psychopaths are men.

My heart aches for every single woman & girl who has been a victim of gun violence, especially at the hands of males.

Some might bring up arguments like, “But what about hunting?” Well, I’m against that too, but that’s because I love animals. And also, most hunters are men, and they get a thrill out of hurting innocent animals and inflicting pain upon them. It’s the principle that any being who possesses less power than them is a mere object, and its feelings/suffering are not taken into consideration whatsoever. Exactly how men treat women.

I don’t think police officers should have guns either. Again, how many murdering police officers are men? Almost all. Police in other countries function fine without guns, and there are other non-lethal ways of getting unruly, violent criminals under control when it’s necessary (like tasers and such). (Idk... I’m not 100% convinced of this, since I don’t exactly think male murderers, rapists or pedophiles should be alive or anything... but isn’t it worse to rot in prison for life, instead of having their life end quickly at the hands of a cop?) (I guess this depends on if they are even convicted or not, and if they are, they probably wouldn’t even get a life sentence. Sigh. Let’s just say in a perfect world, they would, so let’s entertain it for the sake of this debate.)

I still think women should have guns, solely to protect ourselves from men. I mean, at least in the United States, since guns are already legal here. I don’t think we should start the practice in other countries (unless guns are already legal there... then women should be entitled to them for self-defense all the same, right?). We still desperatelyyyyyy need gun control in the U.S.

Personally, I’m not a fan of guns, and think they’ve become pretty obvious patriarchal and even phallic symbols. Insecure men cling to them, and you couldn’t even pry that shit from their cold dead fingers.

Anyway... anyone else agree with this take?

Edit: I see this post has already some received downvotes shortly after posting. If you disagree with this, maybe explain why? I honestly can’t think of any rational reason. There are still men on this site, so perhaps they angrily downvoted, but that’s probably not the case.

Edit 2: I’ll add that I know my hypothetical scenario is impossible. Realistically, it’s easier to ban all guns 100%. Even if that wouldn’t completely eliminate gun violence, it would reduce it greatly.

Edit 3: Just wanna say thank you all for your valuable input! You all make excellent points (besides the people arguing in favor of hunting) and I’m always blown away by how intelligent & articulate the women are here. <3

I know this is a hot take, at least to the rest of the world, maybe not to radical feminists. But I’ve seen WAY too much gun violence, and almost all of it is from men. Most of men’s gun use is not in self-defense, and they use them to commit homicides and mass murders frequently. When women use guns, it is most often in self defense. How many women mass shooters are there, compared to men? How many gun homicides are caused by men, compared to women? Men have unchecked rage & refuse to control themselves. Most sociopaths (people with antisocial personality disorder, of which the criteria are violence, and complete lack of empathy, guilt or remorse) and psychopaths are men. My heart aches for every single woman & girl who has been a victim of gun violence, especially at the hands of males. Some might bring up arguments like, “But what about hunting?” Well, I’m against that too, but that’s because I love animals. And also, most hunters are men, and they get a thrill out of hurting innocent animals and inflicting pain upon them. It’s the principle that any being who possesses less power than them is a mere object, and its feelings/suffering are not taken into consideration whatsoever. Exactly how men treat women. I don’t think police officers should have guns either. Again, how many murdering police officers are men? Almost all. Police in other countries function fine without guns, and there are other non-lethal ways of getting unruly, violent criminals under control when it’s necessary (like tasers and such). (Idk... I’m not 100% convinced of this, since I don’t exactly think male murderers, rapists or pedophiles should be alive or anything... but isn’t it worse to rot in prison for life, instead of having their life end quickly at the hands of a cop?) (I guess this depends on if they are even convicted or not, and if they are, they probably wouldn’t even get a life sentence. Sigh. Let’s just say in a perfect world, they would, so let’s entertain it for the sake of this debate.) I still think women should have guns, solely to protect ourselves from men. I mean, at least in the United States, since guns are already legal here. I don’t think we should start the practice in other countries (unless guns are already legal there... then women should be entitled to them for self-defense all the same, right?). We still desperatelyyyyyy need gun control in the U.S. Personally, I’m not a fan of guns, and think they’ve become pretty obvious patriarchal and even phallic symbols. Insecure men cling to them, and you couldn’t even pry that shit from their cold dead fingers. Anyway... anyone else agree with this take? Edit: I see this post has already some received downvotes shortly after posting. If you disagree with this, maybe explain *why*? I honestly can’t think of any rational reason. There are still men on this site, so perhaps they angrily downvoted, but that’s probably not the case. Edit 2: I’ll add that I know my hypothetical scenario is impossible. Realistically, it’s easier to ban all guns 100%. Even if that wouldn’t completely eliminate gun violence, it would reduce it greatly. Edit 3: Just wanna say thank you all for your valuable input! You all make excellent points (besides the people arguing in favor of hunting) and I’m always blown away by how intelligent & articulate the women are here. <3

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[–] Cornelia241 49 points (+52|-3)

na, i absolutely agree. Men have dominated women because they evolve to be physically stronger. We can erase that difference if we only allow women to control weapons. All Kind of weapons on earth. No scrote allowed in the vicinity of anything explosive or dangerous. "Billy, don't play with swords and guns, that's what girls do. Here is your toy sweeper!" That would be wonderful 🙂

[–] [Deleted] 17 points (+19|-2)

totally not unpopular opinion. I think there was a meme on here a month or so ago which was basically like "women have the same access to guns in the US that men do and you don't see us doing mass shootings every other day...maybe it's men".

[–] SamuraiGhostCat [OP] 15 points (+17|-2) Edited

Yes!!

We can erase that difference if we only allow women to control weapons. All Kind of weapons on earth. No scrote allowed in the vicinity of anything explosive or dangerous.

This is actually SO true, especially considering weapons of war as well. All the war weapons (including nuclear arsenals) are controlled solely at the hands of scrotes.

"Billy, don't play with swords and guns, that's what girls do. Here is your toy sweeper!" That would be wonderful 🙂

Love it!! 😂

[–] [Deleted] 7 points (+7|-0)

100% agree. I thought about posting something like this, but wasn't brave enough.

[–] dixiechick547 42 points (+44|-2)

I agree. Men have demonstrated an inability to manage weapons in a responsible manner.

Yes! Good point, we absolutely need to extend this to all other weapons as well. Men cannot be trusted, period.

[–] Aeschleah 32 points (+34|-2)

Here in TERF island guns aren’t as accessible as they are in the US, our normal beat cops don’t even carry guns, and I would say I don’t see a reason why a civilian should own a gun. In the US it looks like people carry guns to protect themselves from people who carry guns, it’s a vicious circle of the population carrying anxiety and trauma from the threat of what could happen.

Even if the US banned men from having guns, it wouldn’t stop children getting at them in the house and taking them to school, or accidentally shooting their sibling, or even men pressing their abused partner to get one for them.

[–] proudcatlady 17 points (+22|-5)

I’m from the US and I carry a gun to protect myself from any man, armed or not. I cannot defeat him hand-to-hand. You start taking away weapons rights for everyone and the only people who benefit are men, because their bodies are weapons. Gun rights are women’s rights.

[–] IronicWolf 17 points (+19|-2)

I’m afraid I don’t agree. The evidence is that guns do nothing to protect women but are very often used against them. Men’s strength means it’s easy to overpower a woman and take a gun from her.

Also take Aileen Wuornos. She claimed she killed in self defence. This is plausible given the level of violence experienced by prostituted women but that wasn’t accepted. You think society is ready to exonerate women who shoot men they say were try to rape them? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/23/dana-loesch-women-gun-reform-rapists

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/a-new-study-debunks-the-nras-claim-that-guns-protect-women/

[–] remquarqk 6 points (+6|-0)

The evidence is that guns do nothing to protect women but are very often used against them. Men’s strength means it’s easy to overpower a woman and take a gun from her.

Yeah this is what I was thinking.

[–] proudcatlady 0 points (+0|-0)

The laws need to change and women need to become more ruthless. Taking guns away is moving in the wrong direction. As is, I’d rather be alive and in prison than dead at the hands of some entitled male. Also, gun insurance exists to help with this and mitigate penalties for self-defense use of firearms, which are extreme no matter the sex of the person who fired.

The only way a stronger man can wrestle away a gun is if a woman hesitated to shoot him. A gun, in theory, can almost always win. But women tend to be too kind to men even in life-or-death situations. The solution isn’t to take guns out of the hands of women so that men can more easily strangle them to death, but rather to drill into women’s head to shoot the moment she is in danger and to help them peak and understand that a man in her situation would not hesitate to shoot her.

[–] FragariaVesca 13 points (+14|-1)

As a woman living in the UK I have never been afraid of being shot. I am not afraid that my children will be shot in school, a shopping centre, an accident at home or anywhere else. I am not afraid that the police will shot me or my children either as they don’t carry guns either.

So I disagree, look up the stats for yourself. The US has a serious problem.

Carrying a gun or having one in the house makes it more likely you’ll be shot by one.

Have you ever shot a man who tried anything on with you? Do women in the US not suffer rape, domestic abuse or any kind of male violence because men are scared of getting shot?

[–] proudcatlady -1 points (+0|-1)

In the US, many many MANY more men than women are armed because women tend to think “I don’t like guns” and therefore not get them. I would like to see a country where women are more armed than men are. Then I do believe US women’s male victimization rates would sink dramatically because men would be afraid of getting shot. In my view the problem is that women do not have enough firearms.

That’s also a great take. So true. Men’s greater physical strength is how they’ve controlled women for millennia. Women having weapons makes things more even.

[–] proudcatlady 15 points (+16|-1)

There’s a reason guns are called “the great equalizer.”

[–] XX_Power 0 points (+0|-0)

I'm european through and through and therefore tend to be anti guns, but this is an insanely good argument and, admittedly it's changing my opinion. Thank you

[–] SamuraiGhostCat [OP] 12 points (+12|-0) Edited

I’m just thinking about in a hypothetical scenario, in a perfect world where men still could not get access to guns, and where they would 100% be kept out of the hands of children. You’re right though, gun violence is a vicious cycle.

I think when women use guns in self defense, most of the time the men they shoot probably are not even holding a gun themselves. What if a woman, after being beaten for years, suddenly snaps and kills her abuser? (Good for her.) What if a woman is defending herself from rape?

Do civilians have the right to possess guns at all in the UK? I have no idea about gun laws in other countries, so am interested in hearing what the policies are.

[–] Aeschleah 14 points (+14|-0)

Oh yeah, if there was like a Gametes check where the gun would heat up super fast in the hand of a man, or it wouldn’t fire unless held by a woman over 21 or something?

Ok, so stand by for wall of text!

A firearms certificate is required to purchase firearms, and a separate shotgun certificate is required for shotguns. The guiding laws for firearms in Scotland are the Firearms (Scotland) Rules 1989 and the Firearms Act (1968). All handguns, semi-automatic and pump-action non-rim-fire rifles are prohibited.

To decide whether a person is fit to own a firearm, the licensing authority will conduct a number of checks which will usually include interviews, visits to the person’s property, criminal records checks and references from friends. In addition, the applicant’s Doctor may be contacted. Applications for the grant of a firearm certificate for the applicant’s, or another’s, protection, or that of premises, should be refused on the grounds that firearms are not an acceptable means of protection in Great Britain. It has been the view of successive Governments for many years that the private possession and carriage of firearms for personal protection is likely to lead to an increase in levels of violence.

UK firearms policy is based on the fact that firearms are dangerous weapons and the State has a duty to protect the public from their misuse. Gun ownership is a privilege, not a right. Firearms control in the UK is among the toughest in the world, and as a result firearms offences continue to make up a small proportion (less than 0.2%) of recorded crime

[–] IronicWolf 5 points (+5|-0)

I’d add that more guns are legal in the UK than people think and in rural areas many people will own shotguns. However our laws are very restrictive and as a result we have the lowest gun homicide rate in the world.

We also have laws about proportionate self defence (absent in US). Shooting a burglar dead is not considered proportionate. Shooting somebody who is actively trying to kill you likely is (assuming a court is satisfied that there is evidence that you were right to believe your life was in danger).

This is a prepper site but eye opening about what you can own in the UK. I think our absence of gun culture means most people wouldn’t even consider doing so.

https://www.ukpreppersguide.co.uk/uk-weapons-and-firearms-law-2018/

[–] edieandthea 26 points (+26|-0)

I see where you’re coming from. The one guy I know who owns a dozen guns because it’s his “hobby” also told his wife, when her boss was sexually harassing her, if she dared cheat he would kill her.

Omfg. Men are monsters and they keep proving it every single second. I hope that woman gets away from him immediately. Yikes :(

[–] [Deleted] 19 points (+21|-2) Edited

Lol yes there are still men on this site. There are a lot of men that think hating transgender is equal to being on our side, and they are probably the same type of men to own guns lmao.

I’m all for this. Just look at statistics. It’s for the best. We are essentially relegated to mothering the entire world because most men don’t grow up emotionally, sometimes ever. If we are given that role, we should also be allowed to take away their fatal play-things. Now now men, don’t be upset, this will reduce violence for you too!

It also evens the playing field so that their strength and our relative weakness cannot be weaponized

That was a fun thought-game but to be perfectly honest, only allowing women access to guns wouldn’t work. Men would find a way to get them. If in a perfect world it would work, I’d be on board for the reasons stated above. Realistically, it would not work for many reasons.

[–] IAmTesterical 17 points (+17|-0)

Here are some hard numbers for anyone who wants to see the breakdown:

Since 1982, an astonishing 118 mass shootings have been carried out in the United States by male shooters. In contrast, only three mass shootings (defined by the source as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed) have been carried out by women

Interestingly, there was recently a school shooting in Idaho from a girl. She shot three people before a teacher disarmed her, and no one died

BoJack Horseman had a great episode about mass-shooters. A bunch of men start killing people, and a movie team uses them to promote their movie that women need guns to defend themselves. But then one of the shooters is a woman, and a camera crew interviews men with some hilarious lines:

This is what happens when you give women guns: They start shootin' people! I mean, do they even know what guns are for?

I don't feel safe walking home alone at night in my own neighborhood. Me, a man!

Even one death from the bullet of a female shooter is too many

Just rewatched that episode yesterday and it totally reminded me of this issue!

If we were to follow that plot all the way through, we'd just have all guns banned instead of allowing for women to carry guns at that point. Because why let a woman defend herself, right?

I am always really turned off when men flex their gun collections as well. Like, if I say anything to these men and it flips a switch the wrong way, that immediately turns into a danger.

Terrifying, and I wish there was a way to prevent this kind of overpowering..

[–] [Deleted] 16 points (+16|-0) Edited

Gotta disagree with “police should not be allowed to use guns” tho.

Yes, the American police force needs a major reform, and an intensive training period (it definitely shouldn’t be just 6 months, that’s purely absurd). And the racist, misogynistic bad cops must be weeded out, no doubt...

But I just can’t imagine police that are not allowed to use guns.

The world is not a safe place to live without crime patrol. Some people, especially men, are inherently violent. And I’ve seen multiple times how tasers just don’t work on some body types.

Imagine you called the police on some tall, burly, violent, heavily armed psychopath who’s about to break into your house and murder you... and the police turn up without any guns and with just a taser and a stick. That’s a scary situation!

Armed police are an absolute necessity.

[–] thedarkhorse 9 points (+9|-0)

We have armed police in the UK. They are just a separate specialty trained unit that it summoned when the need arises. Perhaps the USA should follow a similar model.

[–] Tnetennba 2 points (+4|-2)

I see what you're saying, it's scary to think about. But other countries manage to police just fine without guns? Something is fundamentally broken in the US.

[–] immersang 6 points (+6|-0)

What countries have police without any guns at all?

Honest question, I wasn't aware that's a thing. (As a UK user above mentioned, even there they do have armed police, they are just different units. And here in Germany, as another example, police offers usually carry a pistol. They hardly ever use it though in comparison to the US, and they also have much more extensive training in general. I think the last bit is key, actually.)

[–] Feerique 0 points (+0|-0)

Other countries don't hand out guns at their local Walmart though.

[–] elleelle 14 points (+15|-1)

I used to think I had a problem with guns, and then I realized I had a problem with men.

[–] [Deleted] 4 points (+4|-0)

I never had a problem with guns, but I was definitely raised in a family and small town culture that did. Boys are literally raised into embracing guns and violence as a means of "being a man", and there is something to be said for learning how to defend yourself so that you can be safe in this whacko, unenlightened culture that we live in. But girls are actively discouraged from learning these same tactics or embracing violence in any way. I think we are taught that to do so, or to think about buying a gun, means that we are a bad person and/or that we are spiritually succumbing to the dark side.

[–] Southpaw 1 points (+1|-0)

My wife used to work in a gun shop. A lot of the first time gun buyers were also new mothers. They would never tell anyone and would even purchase time with an instructor without telling their SO.

[–] Tnetennba 4 points (+7|-3) Edited

Guns themselves forever changed our species. Wars weren't nearly as deadly before guns were invented. The main goal was to exhaust your enemies into surrendering. It's also much harder to kill someone face to face, they are very clearly a fellow human being. Guns made war more bloody and far more impersonal.

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0)

Right? We live in the age of drone warfare and the atom bomb.

[–] BathMat 12 points (+12|-0)

discussed this with someone with more street smarts than me who pointed out to me that gangs will find ways to coerce and control girls if girls are allowed access to weapons

[–] Thrillcheesier 11 points (+11|-0)

I know a lot of men who possess guns who never think about them or take them out to use/practice with. Mostly, they live in the American West and guns have just always been a thing and those men don't scare me at all (though I hope their guns are secure from others).

But the ones who feel they have to tote a gun around 24/7 -- they terrify me.

I'm also pro- gun control

[–] banjo 11 points (+11|-0)

I don't know too many details but they have guns with fingerprint verification so only the registered owner of the gun can use it. Not that men couldn't find ways around that, but it would help.

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