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[–] DarthVelma 45 points (+45|-0)

I have often asked this question and never can seem to get a coherent answer.

If a white dude waits outside a bar for a black person to come out, any black person, doesn't matter who, so he can beat them up...that's a hate crime.

But if a dude waits outside a bar for a women to come out, any women, doesn't matter who, so he can rape her...the cops will blame her for drinking and ask what she was wearing.

Men hate us and no one gives a shit.

[–] KBash 33 points (+33|-0) Edited

Crimes against women for being women have never been seen as hate crimes.

There’s often a retort that “men get raped too- even by women!”

Well, white men get killed too- even by black men! Straight men get killed too- even by gay men! It’s just not systemic, and as such is far less common than the reverse.

“But we don’t know that the motive for all this sexual harassment and assault and rape and domestic violence and femicide is hating women or just some mental issue or a personal beef with the victim unmotivated by any sex-based hate...”

Well, we don’t know that whites who kill blacks or straights who kill gays may not merely be mentally ill and their choice of victim is not based on hatred for that characteristic, but rather a random crime, or that they don’t have a personal beef with the victim unrelated to their being black or gay.

There are no good arguments for why women are not protected by hate crime legislation.

In my opinion, it’s both because they’ve so normalized male violence against women and don’t believe in or take seriously sexism, and also because they know if they prosecuted male violence as a hate crime, they’d spend their time doing nothing else.

So far they don’t even prosecute 99% of male rapists of women, so good luck trying to get them to see opposite sex rape as a crime at all, much less a hate crime.

[–] BlackCirce 26 points (+26|-0)

Because if they made rape a hate crime they’d have to do something about it

[–] Mother-of-Rats 17 points (+17|-0)

Because it’s men (98.7% of the time) doing the raping and women (87% of the time) being raped. Men abusing women is the status quo and recognizing it as a hate crime would make a lot of people (men) uncomfortable and men being uncomfortable is the greatest crime against humanity that is humanly possible.

[–] IronicWolf 8 points (+8|-0)

Because there’s too much of it. You can’t even get rapes prosecuted as ordinary crimes. Once you start (correctly) making crime against women a hate crime then you have a lot of guilty men and that would require society really apply some introspection. If so many men do it, it can’t really be a crime because, hey, we’re Nice Guys. We must be: we remembered to ask our wives to buy our mothers some flowers for their birthdays. See how much we love women!

[–] ellienoire 7 points (+7|-0) Edited

Have you ever called the cops for any reason? They are beyond useless at BEST, they will actively harm, rape, stalk, or kill you at worst.

You expect these woman-beating racist murderers to arrest anyone over rape, never mind as a hate crime? Rape is barely a crime at all. The majority of rapists will never see any consequences.

But if a TIM gets raped by a man, it's a hate crime.

Go fucking figure.

Or a woman refuses to fuck a TIM, that’s a hate crime too in their lexicon.

[–] zuubat 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

Read Tina Trent. Yeah, I know, she went off the deep end some time ago into the QAnon stuff. But she details how she was rebuffed when she tried to get stranger rape added to federal hate-crime legislation. Spoiler alert: the rebuff was not because the feds failed to consider stranger rape a hate crime. No, her initiative was rebuffed because there was just too darn much of that particular crime. It would overwhelm the system, they said.

EDIT: Here's the essay: https://tinatrent.com/rape-is-not-a-hate-crime-against-women/

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